packets for my live audience with UFC Superstar Paddy the body on the 7th of January in Liverpool are now available on skiddle Paddy will be doing his first live audience and what a night we have planned we have a meet and greet and photo opportunity with party you also can get to ask Patty some questions we’ve also got special guests appearing this is going to be a night not to be missed and what a way to start off the new year see you all soon foreign platforms to find out who my latest guest will be and don’t forget to click the Subscribe button and the notifications Bell so you are notified for when my next podcast goes live I’ve got a lot locked up twice in one one Bruce no is it under like underlay got locked up twice there and the police said next day him again who got reported from Bruce a load of us frogmart onto the ferry spent two days in the in the Mr Game spent two days in a police police in Bruce you know what I mean so well I remember maybe meeting Bill Gardner when he came off the train one year about 50 60 of them RCF about 1982 Bill walked down the road uh I can remember the police saying we were all right near the train station and we was there should be a few problems at the same station that’s King genre at that time it was all in there I can’t remember the police coming in said you’re a lot better get off because the RCF are on the way I think the police have picked him up at Leicester you better get yourself homeless you ain’t gonna know much for these boys the first launch of the jury was the prosecution Barrister put my book up to the jury this man even writes about his adventures you know what I mean it does TV shows about his adventures that was the first line of the first day of the Crown Court a lot of people will never get it unless you’re involved in it a lot of people never get it to this day I’ll still get slagged off you know doing talks like this as you think is that you shouldn’t give him publicity you know I’ve just done the documentary for Italian identity you get comments people you know I read the comments so why are you giving these people the the time of day and you know you shouldn’t give him any air time you know what I mean but foreign and today’s guests we could former football Hill again Gary Clark pleased to be here how are you guys are not bad James yeah thank you first and foremost thanks for coming on the show no problem mate no problem you’re one here not on Forest is top boys used to be used to be used to be back in the day yeah well I won’t call it top boy but possibly in the top 10. oh you know everyone as well you know a few other boys that’s been on this show yeah yeah but before we get old enough to get ready I always go back to the start of my guests where you grew up and how it all began well I grew up in the in a city in Nottingham in slanton um an old Terrace house or cobbled streets um dads from Cambridge mum some slanton I think he met her on a night out in Nottingham uh eventually uh decided to move up this way from Cambridge um had me then he obviously wanted a better life and we moved to uh um out into the suburbs into a nice estate just to get out in the city and have his sister then uh went to a school in Clifton big castle estate south of the south of the city uh that was it really my dad was a lorry driver mum works at Port Farms local Factory long hours you know money money was tight struggling to bring two kids up on the you know as it was back in the 60s early 70s um obviously went to a primary school in Clifton straight in the football team and fell in love with football how about you at school Gary obviously you you had the violence later on yeah years but were you violent as a kid not really I think I think I got sort of went that way because uh went to the big school on the council estate up in Clifton and these colors of silver silver swing boys because we were from a private States down the road and uh they didn’t like it sort of thing um I always say you know we was good at football and uh I was never top of the class at school you know I was never bottom of the class but I was middle of the road but we love our Sport and uh we had a good football team at school and uh the bully boys in the bottom Forum didn’t like it you know what I mean just pick on us especially because we come from a private state so I end up bloody scrapping half the time after school in the woods used to be a big set of woods behind the school and the cooler you are you know and have to win the awards and have a fighting from the 400 school people you know what I mean so I think that’s why I sort of turn turn my life into I won’t say I was odd but I could handle myself you know and I stuck up for myself that’s like that’s the way it went yeah you know what I mean when did you love uh Forest come about I’ll be honest with you start off with I like my first first team was uh one of was Leisure United at school because you know Forrest in the Old Second Division uh struggling just got relegated 72 I think it were and the top teams at the time were leaves in Liverpool and Arsenal and I just like the lead skit they all white kits so uh sort of like leads at school a couple of his like leads at school there’s always a forest fan the first football match ever was Forest against Norwich my dad taught me it was difficult because with Adel from Cambridge and he liked the East Anglin teams and then the knowledge was top of the league in the Old Second Division just got relegated and he took me to a forest and Norwich uh I think it was about nine and uh nice pump for his 3-1 that day but I finally fell in love with with the game then you know I made the first football match ever and I was begging him to set me to a leads game and it took me to a couple of these games the Grandad took me to Knox County and he’s up leads League Cup and can’t he beat him one nil uh we’ll never never forget that I was 1975. uh went to a couple of Leeds games I went to Leeds in Derby at Derby I remember going to um Leeds and Ipswich in a cup replay caught fire not Leicester I think they played about four games so dad took me there dragged him managed to drag him there but he didn’t tell me too many Forest games and then Forrest got promoted in 76 and uh one of his dad’s mates uh he had a season ticket and uh he got sent to prison fighting and he’s not he went violent lad but he’s just got to end up with scuffling the poor man doing six months in prison and he said hey Gail had that season again this me a season ticket for the rest of the season there was a year we won the league back in the first division so I watched the first play Liverpool in front of 47 000 and play Everton a couple days later at Christmas in front of 44 000 sort of fell in love and then my dad took me all the League Cup finals 70 77 78 79 1980 Wembley yeah I got the book then you know what I mean was that much violence in their 70s worth yeah oh yeah yeah I noticed it you could tell you know there’s a lot of trouble at Forest uh mid to well probably early to mid late 70s they used to have a firm called the forest mad Squad and uh used to I used to stand on the cop and the away fans used to be in East and to Ryan’s side and nobody could see was everything everything going you know mean it was really riots everywhere if I started Andy film back in them days as well I remember going to The League Cup Final 9-8 so and uh we’re walking down Wembley way next to me is about 200 large and green flying jackets Come Running past chasing a lot of walls down Wembley way you know and I was only a kid you know I mean you think flipping yeah you know what’s going off here it’s even Forrester in the second division when did Brian Clough take over 1975 because he yeah 1975 was in the Old Second Division I think was about fifth sixth bottom one he took over I didn’t I didn’t think he won for the first eight games how does a man do that to come into a club who’s floating about the second division to then be then cotton finals Europe one of the European Cup toys like the Euro must have been a kid then yeah late 70s but was it any feeling that this man was going to be one of the greatest managers in Britain well he did well at Derby didn’t he I think he won the league at Derby and then he took him to the semi-final of the uh European Court I think the only ostrich Juventus I think that was um I think the ref rig of that game anyway so it was successful already and I think I don’t know if we went to Brighton but no he went to Leeds took over Don Rivier didn’t see and he got sacked for 44 days because the Leeds players they’re so much used I didn’t like him and cluffish told him how it was you know what I mean I think the first day for all the medals in the bins says that cancel nothing now so you know what I mean it was player power got rid of him I think he ended up bright and then and then the price took a Gamble and it comes forest and then that yeah I think first trophy one was the Anglo Scottish Cup in 1976 and then it showed the rest of his history in it you know what I mean see the violence between the second division first Division and see when you get promoted there’s a violence to become more extreme because obviously it’s bigger crowds bigger games there’s more to I think they lose it wasn’t them days it wasn’t them days bigger crowds and there was no cameras you know there was no segregation really you know it was mixed wanted in them days not like in the Premier League is now there’s more violence that happens in the lower leagues these days don’t it but then back in them days you get to the old first division bigger mobs you know big bigger firms and it was probably more more violence in them days and as a kid watching it you’re thinking what’s going on here you know what I mean so what made you join the Casual team hey well by accident really because I used to go to I still welcome to a couple of these games when I was at school 15 19 and uh 1981 and I remember going to a game in Knox County first game of the season and bumped into these Lads in town and uh they thought was from Leeds anyway they gave us a couple of slaps me and my mates I think was all from Nottingham at the time got a couple of slaps around the ear holding that and uh kicked up the ass and the police come and uh anyway so that’s first time I was discovered drinking so I was going out just left school then I was still at school then 15. so a few weeks later I just left school started going into Nottingham City Center and I kept bumping into the same Lads it gave me a slap and he’ll come over to me it says uh here’s that leads fan who fought you from Leeds that’s the name from Nottingham you know what I mean and anyway I kept bumping into me Nottingham every week then and there’s a little late ball at the time called Harvey’s more in West bridgford I used to go there on a Sunday night as a kid 16. and there was always in there anyway I got friendly with him and there’s always try and sway me to Come Away with his Forest you know come come with his lot you know what I mean and I must admit I went to a few of these games and uh all they did were wreck things smash things up you know there’s that many of them the forest the forest firm at the time was all in jail because the emitters were kid got killed at Bora so a lot of the main lives were locked up at the time and uh there weren’t that many of them but they were casual and I was I was casual I was casual last year at school and that’s what I liked about the football scene I was noticing a different different firms different areas different cities and we’re doing different stuff you know I like I like the way everyone dressed so I really got into it and um anyway they got me one one week so we’re going to Arsenal to fancy going to Arsenal with us how’s it going then I will answer so come on I’ll go Arsenal with you I went service train I think it’s 53 of us went on the service train back in the day the old Irish Stadium not many forests went away then in them days I think it was 1982 and uh used to have ticker tape in the middle of the year old clock end and to get to your end you had to walk for the Arsenal fans I think I had a pringle on faded jeans wedgie haircut and the old Bill escorted you in but we’ve just got everybody I was covered in saliva because managed to get to the forest section and just covered in spit you know I mean after the game we went back to King’s cross Arsenal landed at King’s cross and it’s brought him riots all over the shop you know it was back and forth anyway the police got fed up with it and uh said right you lost soppy on this corner I think it was about 35 the rest of the whole lot of US 35 of us put us in court and uh got so it’s not super old one police station they said right you’re in court today and I said well I can’t make it I’m ordering Court in Leicester that day so they put my foreign and they set a trial that’s elephant and Castle Ira Court two-day trial so we like to go down for a two-day two-day trial down at Old elephant and Castle uh spending I was more excited about a night out in London you know what I mean I think I’ve got 80 pound fine you know and the science center now main lights to prison but I think they’ve come away about 150 quid but back in 1982 it’s quite a bit a lot of money on it you know what I mean so I’ve got a lot of cats when I got the bug we’re going away with Forest casuals you know what I mean sort of by doing sentences then but La is oh yeah yeah there’s a lot of our locked up at the time uh one of our Lives got four and a half years at Windows bro a lot of that’s got lots open business with six months a lot of the ball has got locked up you know for a Fray so you know it was big big prison them days yeah because I thought it started in the name is when people started getting better you know one of my one of my good mates got four and a half years back in the day who was the the fight set up then back in the day early is it was spontaneous really though you know early eight but it’s really you did you’d say right we’re going away game there’s either service train or Vans and cars meet the nearest pop to the train station you know know and would and that was a crack which would mob up at the train station you know wherever he went he was gonna he was going to get in another city because everyone had him off didn’t they you know what was their their casual scene like then was it Fila was it yeah it started off with slashing his jumpers I mean Liverpool started it didn’t they late 70s no air jumpers in Europe coming back wheel then the sports gear come in you know and that was a size engine jumpers then Pringles came in slow Island Scots and it was feeder Lacoste you know Alexis you know what I mean and Forrest got back in Europe and we come back with a new wardrobe you know what I mean so because then they didn’t tell much money you know what I mean yeah all right so Stephen foreign everything then does it do you then become a Target there’s Forest fans become a Target because they are winning or is it just the case uh it’s all the same uh no because you’re a big Club one though because we’re winning stuff you know what I mean we’re a big team and you know we took it to uh always over six it’s you know foreign uh also were pretty good back in the day as well um a lot of Portsmouth you know a lot you know everybody had a little mob but the Middlesbrough were good Birmingham best probably the best in the Midlands forests were good you know what I mean they rolled their own the team in Leicester yeah they had a decent baby Squad I’ll get Derby you know Derby always have a fight you know what I mean everything that we’re gonna have had on they’ve always says yeah yeah it was a it was a dodgy place to go the old Easton Park yeah it was it gonna go in their night game it was it was every place to go you know they traveled everywhere as well they went everywhere you know what I mean dude oh tough tough tough City it’s more tough town in it you know never go away to Europe where Forest yeah yeah um I missed the European Cup Day sauce at school and I mean I never never taught me you know what I mean because he’s from Cambridge and no one to take me I went to a couple of their own games obviously but uh when we got back in the UEFA Corp 1983 started traveling morning then started going away with him you know what I mean so then so again a few scrapes and locked up abroad what was it like being locked up abroad I got a lot locked up twice in one one Bruges no is it under like underlay got locked up twice there and uh police said next day him again got reported from Bruges a load of us frogmart onto the ferry spent two days in the in the Mr gain spent two days in a police police in Bruce you know what I mean so but then then he didn’t really bothered you I mean he just saw part of the fun now again you go to places like Poland Ukraine that no MMA fighters did you ever see any professional fighters back then was it just the case of free throw no no I’m awesome here I mean I I I’ve traveled England from the mid 80s and uh they weren’t really anybody to touch it it’s probably the Germans the Germans always big Lads Germany ATA you know they’re they’re all their own sort of thing but notices polls or probably early 90s and uh I went to Poland away twice three times I missed missed one game because I got stuck in Germany but uh the polls you know you could tell you know the train you could tell those Fighters you know what I mean but to be honest with you back in the day England they give a to oops you know what I mean that you know it’s all like being like that you know I mean we can’t have it up there as well yeah why do you think England are always at the Forefront every World Cup Euros it’s always England causing it like it’s been actress ingrained into the football organisms I think it stems from the 60s and 70s you know what I mean I mean there’s nobody’s back in the 70s it’s gone full circle now and said England calls it you know and nowadays not bothered all that everyone’s packed in you know all grown up um it’s mainly fans that follow England now back in the day when I went in the early 80s you’d take four or 500 fans away and it will all be Lads am I coming the old Yugoslavia in 87 and it’s just all bought it’s they took four or five hundred we want for One Olympic scored 11 goals it was just pure voice no I’m scared you know what I mean you know dodgy places to go turkey you know what I mean what’s the difference thinking for England to fight for Forest is it the same or is it I think kind of different Buzz I I used to enjoy going to we England back in the day but when it was just pure Lads but nah I don’t like it I I don’t I’m into an England away game since Munich in 2001. um I don’t get I don’t like going away now with England because it’s so many cheer throwers and too many idiots of course trouble for no reason you know what I mean back in the day well boy is it you feel like have a drink and you know if it’s someone came and came it came you know what I mean but these days it’s a bit more Mindless you know mindless violence so I don’t like things like that yeah to be honest these days I don’t like violence anyway you know bloody 20 years since I got involved in truck foot water all night you know what I mean so what was it was late for years that was every week did you start forgetting about the football when just concentrating on their fighting I was at do you do both yeah event eventually yeah I think uh mid 80s sort of thing the football went out the window and it was you know earlier you know I was a football fan I’ve always been a football fan but once you got into the Casual scene and you started getting your mindset started going that way gang culture and that it was like you know are we going to get some at this Saturday you know you you plan your day all week you know what I mean and what we’re going to do where we’re going to meet how we’re getting there and uh it was a boss you know we’re going to meet like like-minded Lads that we’ll never go yeah you know what I mean and that took over the football then you know what I mean but like you say I’m a football fan I’ve always been a football fan and we know more about football and what people think you know what I mean yeah well the way they always high up were they respected in their 70s and 80s yeah yeah we’re out of that they’ve always been respected I think they got conveyor belt just keeps ruining them off they’re getting that many get lots in locked in prison get banned no I think they just got like a factory machine and just keeps getting them you know like rolling them off yeah I’ve never seen so many of them you know I mean and they all come from from the estate you know what I mean it’s a dodgy place to go yeah I mean who’s the tough who’s there like a tough man you’ve you had respect for like with the funds well I can remember me meeting Bill Gardner when they come for the train one year about 50 60 of them RCF about 1982 Bill walked down the road uh I can remember the police saying we were all right near the train station and we was there should be a few problems at the same Chase the king genre at that time it was all in there I couldn’t remember the police coming in said you look better get off because the RCF are on the way I think the police have picked them up at Leicester you better get yourself homeless you ain’t gonna know much for these boys anyway uh they come off the train and Bill come down the front we’re about 50 behind him he had this long duffel coat on curly Blondie and I was about 17 enough look at that though you know what I mean yeah did you get that a lot because we spoke about big bars earlier before we started and he’s at begun oh he’s massive kickboxing model Champion see me going forward towards people and you think I’m I’m and for it heal that well she’s got to get the head down yes back you up you know what I mean if you make stone back you up then you you’re in the shot aren’t you know what I mean who was big ball because I’ve had them on your podcast absolutely gentlemen to hear the backstory of being homeless as a kid and then look kinda bear knuckle fighting from a very young age that it’s sad to see his will but the respect he’s got from everybody all around the UK that is unbelievable that let’s see when you fought for England as well was everything put to the side uh not in the early days in the 80s I can remember West Ham used to work with man united quite a lot of away games you know what I mean West Ham kept themselves themselves you know but like forest and that would mix we weren’t really bothered you know what I mean a lot of the lower teams and lower clubs that they all do all mix but there was a top firms that didn’t want to mix like West Ham you know what I mean they kept themselves and be honest with you they didn’t always turn out United didn’t always turn up when they did turn out they cut themselves to themselves but uh that Bill’s a legend you know who bill was you know when he was at school you know what I mean he’s he’s been out throughout the country you know what I mean it was an old man you know he’s a very hard man you know I mean not many people could touch him so you’ve got someone like that leading you well I won’t say he was a leader absolutely can lead he was just a an influence at West Ham you know what I mean yeah yeah and everyone looked up to him you know what I mean he’s a gentleman like you say he’s a lovely bloke I went to his first book launch and I think there’s only three or four of us that went on the old barking Road at West Ham Social Club he obviously got invited by a bus pass and and Cass and uh a couple of people told me not to go they said you know it’s a dodgy place to go like you know what I mean I’ll treat it like everyone treated me brilliant you know what I mean I think me and Andy went and of course uh we may Ari went and uh I think there’s three or four of us and it was four or 500 ICF old school RCF you know what I mean everyone was good as gold and you’re talking like to go and Justin yeah a lot of people told me don’t you know watch yourself don’t I won’t go down there you know you could get you you know you filled in whatever you know what I mean but honestly everyone with good is gold London Echoes he’s a funny bastard but yeah how would you end up follows me Andy he’s Avon oh yeah I met I met a lot of us met through the books you know because um first met Casper in the books he asked me to do Taurus Legends uh 2003 but I had a court case going on at the time and so I couldn’t do it so I’m Still Still you know I’ve got this court case going for stop doing it doing that book you know it could go against the court so I recommended one of my mates do it and he did it and then um he contacted me again he was doing the follow-up called top boys so I said you know I’d already done some prison for this thing I came out and that was me I thought no way I’m getting involved anymore that was me I I decided to pack it up you know so young ones came now anyway I was I think it was 39 at the time and I thought you know carry on doing what I’m doing I’ll learn with bigger prison sentences starting to turn my life around and that’s what so I said to Cass I’ll do top boys book and uh I’m not sure if Andy did my adult tourist Legends but obviously cascot was all on the book book scene and then we’d do book launches and I got to meet these guys at book launches and we’ll we’re all the same we just bought different clubs and we all got on with each other you know same interests and we all become friends yeah you know what I mean do you think you could have been friends with these other guys in your 20s now it would have been more difficult because a lot of lives didn’t like you bringing up with other Lads from other cities in into your into your like uh back back Garden you know what I mean and it’s very rare that happened in the 80s you know I had a couple of mates from Sheffield he’s come over and I used to go England matches with him and uh they become that was all right you know maybe if you brought someone in I don’t know he wants to happen back in the 80s because someone somebody would have got upset and it would have been you know what I mean so it and then the England scene got bigger in the 90s I think we’re more allowed to go in and become more friendly with each other and it and then back into the 90s early 2000s everyone’s sort of mixing more you know what I mean even the cameras and that started coming about did it become more harder to organize oh yeah of course you did I mean the camera the cameras killed it didn’t it you know what I mean I mean you know the police got all that you know how fast you started that didn’t she but then then the mobile cameras coming mobile phones come in um we want CCTV was all over it’s most police uh cameras countries in Europe in it you know what I mean you couldn’t do it you get knock on the door six months later you know it’s waste of time you know what I mean yeah all right seeing you start getting the jail and stuff to eat is it just want to come straight back out and straight back involved or at least not really evaluating things well I got I got um postal Detention Center in the early 80s 84. you know at um Nevada I never go back in but um they didn’t deter me to be honest with you I didn’t see me I got even more into it but when I got that prison sentence of 2004 you know because I was offered to do a book before that and I refused it right and I refuse it because I was still active and I thought once you do it you can’t get back involved you’re a mortgage if you do a book and then you get involved again you know and I got in trouble uh 2006 and then oh I was I was in the pub at the wrong time the pub went up and the object’s armed there three months later my door went in and I suppose to a week in Crown Court and uh I thought I got found guilty at the end of it I was looking at three years in prison and the first line in them days back in 2006 they could actually incriminate you and they’ve bought the first line to the jury was the prosecution Barrister put my book up to the jury this man even writes about his adventures you know what I mean it does TV shows about his adventures that was the first line of the first day of the Crown Court you know what I mean and luckily as a week went on the trial went on the mind of brilliant Barrister and a brilliant solicitor and uh you know the joy is so sense and got not guilty on the Friday you know and that you know and I packed up the been involved in that two or three years before but it was a bit of a setup you know what I mean what’s your longest sentence before only four months you know what I mean I mean four months is enough you know what I mean I mean a lot of inmates have done you know three four five years you know what I mean what was that for there’s a bigger bigger Fray against Everton 2000 no sorry uh 1985 A lot’s got I think they got 38 years between them yeah the one what two minutes got five and a half um and the Middlesbrough in 1980-81 uh one of my mates got four and off a lot of ads got you know but I remember the big Everton of Frey uh I think there’s there weren’t that many of them and they’ve got 38 38 years between him and made all the national press all over the national headlines newspapers you know I mean that’s a big deterrent isn’t it when you get prepared for that and often does even throw a punch you know what I mean what you’re thinking then if you you do a few months that do you think that’s that cleaned out like uh not that medal of owner but it’s like you’ve learned your stripes when you come back out you’ve got a bigger Swagger and yeah we’re back in the day when in the 80s when you were very young you know when you’re teens and early 20s yeah I would agree with that you know what I mean but when you’re getting on a bit like you say I got prison prison at 39. it’s a bit embarrassing it you know what you’re doing and what you’re doing in Jordan in jail or 39 you know well I should have been on a holiday for celebrating my birthday in Thailand you know so you think to yourself now starting that sell that’s when I decided to write me book when I sat in that cell you know what I mean what she had had this feet Birmingham was always a difficult one to go to remember the FA Cup at Birmingham I think it’s about 87 that was Mayhem that day that made the national press I think it was 93 arrested football Landing there at 11 o’clock in the morning from going home at six at night it was just non-stop all day you know you didn’t get a minute so so that was a difficult day who was there like the toughest who’s it what was the ground you like to go to the most I did like the most dangerous ones to be honest with you I’ll give him the biggest bus West Hamburg yeah West Ham Middlesbrough Birmingham Monday United you know I think the most difficult places to go go the bigger boss you know when he was at it you know what I mean I think he’d get you the bigger Adrenaline Rush how many was involved with Forest uh when it first started going because everyone was locked up for Middlesbrough it was it wasn’t a lot you know probably 50 to 100 but you know when we got it together in sort of 83 84 85 you know it Rose to three four hundred late eighties five so big on the England scene early 90s I I think in the mid 90s we came we rose right on top of the tree but I remember Arena police report we went to Chelsea the inspector that was police in the game says uh Forest number one in Britain you know at the time and we we take 400 places like Chelsea you know what I mean Chelsea was a tough place to go back in the day it wasn’t us yeah that was tough Place everything was tough you know everybody was tough everyone had a little had a little mob you know there’s no easy you know if you underestimated anymore that’s when you get turned over you know what I mean what about for the international scene without any obviously you mentioned Germany before but was an industry don’t you thought me they’re a tough a lot and started I won’t say they were tough there was there was dodgy places to go like turkey you know what I mean the you know you’d go there not not looking for it but the locals didn’t like you you know you know they didn’t like the way you behaved getting drunk you know what I mean and and then you you could upset him so he’s there next minute you’ve got all the locals on your back but the the becoming knives you know what I mean people getting caught up you know for the dodgy places you know what I mean Yugoslavia you know Robert Italy same in Italy they cover the knives they don’t fight you do a lot of stuff yeah they stab you you know what I mean that’s that’s a that’s a difference isn’t it you know what I mean yeah what about Cass and all your friends were cast as well yeah good mates with cash yeah I’ve been very good friends with cast on a lot of stuff with him over the years books um events and stuff you know what I mean I put a few events on early 2000s you know we cast um we had Danny Dyer and may had a problem where I lived about Howard Marks here uh Carlton Leach you know to put a few events on it was sold out you know so yeah it’s even films like football Factory Green Street is that in hands that’s what a reputation has been a football hall again they probably did yeah I would say it did yeah um so I’ve been in a couple of casters uh stuff in the films and stuff but then again it yeah he’s probably gives a wrong impression to young young Lads you know what I mean but then but then again it’s not it’s not these days it won’t uh it’s it’s a British subculture into it you know they’re always going to film stuff about about it everyone finds it interesting same with the mods and rockers and the and the Telly boys back in the 50s there’s always been people want to film make films about stuff like that you know what I mean so it’s no difference is it it’s it’s been happening for 70 years in British school today you know what I mean why do you think it’s so popular why do you think people love these sort of chats as well like the football violence that why is it do you think it is popular I think because people find it interesting because Normal Joe blogs you know it’s they find it interesting because they haven’t been part of it and they want to have the bottles be part of it and it makes good TV and then you know because you’ll get people saying oh grown men they should join box in their MMA yeah I agree with that as well I totally agree with that you know how does that what has that buzz then like to be at the Forefront if there’s a hundred million 200 men all fighting that as a totally different buzz from people people can’t really understand it if they’ve never really done it have they no no you know a lot of people will never get it unless you’re involved in it a lot of people never get it to this day I’ll still get slagged off you know doing talks like this as you’re thinking you shouldn’t give them publicity you know I’ve just done the documentary for Italian and see you get comments people you know I read the comments so why are you giving these people the the time of day and you know you shouldn’t give them any air time you know what I mean but if you don’t do it you know I always preach to people we did it back in the day you know and I don’t but you know and we know you’re wrong we know we all know it was wrong but you know we did it so we ain’t gonna get out of it you know and people ask us what it was like and I always say to people it’s it wasn’t worth it but I you know I also met the people I met in these days fans had done it you know I mixed with nice people these days I’m I’m mixed with TV stars and you know and yeah I got a book out you know and second book’s going to come out and uh people know I’m all right you know I mean the company if they didn’t think I was all right you know what I mean we all make mistakes in life you know I mean everybody’s got too much to see it but these conversations that haven’t have you had Madras yeah bank robbers drug lords letting people love them because it’s that chat or not yeah just because it doesn’t I mean I agree with everything yeah that’s right it’s just an interesting story I hope people go down that path what’s wrong and why they do it and what they’ve done and we can all make changes we can all look behind what I shouldn’t have done that yeah but they makes mistakes but they’ve been a time in your life you’d have absolutely loved it thrived on it and been at Brotherhood sorta that’s what he says he had two sets a friend said the gangsters and he had the football casuals and he says it would go with the football casuals 100 of the time after New Year because there was always 100 of them and there’s a hundred of them but didn’t turn away which was all the gangsters would snatch on each other turn on each other yeah he’s anyway they’re going to kill you yeah you know what I mean these Lads will get over your back you know what I mean you can trust them there’s not many you can’t trust back in the day and over the years I’ve become good friends with different firms as well you know we’re really good friends I want to met them my fans gone down that path you know I guess who when I go to away games now you know like a Bristol City the Bristol large set me Hospitality say come up to Nottingham another night out at their Hospitality you know Middlesbrough same at Middlesbrough Uncle makes for the borough Lads now Newcastle you know London West Ham you know what I mean all good pals now you know what I mean we’ve got a story to tell and the last that did it can actually actually tell the people now it’s not worth it you know and we were role models to sell them you know it’s not worth it keep out of it you know what I mean that’s what we try and do these days I do a lot of talks you know I don’t like to encourage people to get involved in it you know I talk about the past yeah I mean but yeah it’s the future now yeah you know I will tell people it’s not worth it you know what I mean you’re not glorifying that it’s not if you’re speaking to it if I was speaking to you in your line yeah I love that life I do what I do like yeah but like you say people get people get older people make changes and at that time people have chosen that path because it’s all they know what was it like though to feel part of like a gang and people who would have your back no matter what was that empowering well yeah because at the time you know he’s talking earlier 1980s Britain when they want what like work about you know and the jobs you’ve got are mundane jobs you know and you have to listen to a lot of bollocks off some idiot I don’t have a clue you know what I mean you know some Jobs worth you know you think oh god I’ve got to put it with him all week you know what I mean and sadly you know it’s exciting you’re going to a football game another city you win you’re in nice clothes you’ve got your mates you can have a good laugh with you know what I mean you know it was an adrenaline rush you know it’s just the time the time of the times you know what I mean what’s it like if you get run from another phone whoa you know I must admit it’s happened now and again you’ll be able to tell a lie if if it didn’t you know but you know it can ruin you sad I mean it ruins your room I don’t know uh Street collector for a bit doesn’t it you know what I mean yeah all right I had that cockpot on a few weeks ago but he went undercover for mobile oh I’ve seen him on Italian aren’t you yeah he’s on the documentary yeah he doesn’t follow my ID about him like were you ever concerned that there could have been coppers and you’re fun yeah yeah everyone were paranoid and um early mid 80s when especially started infiltrating firms and you know the West Ham lot got done and Chelsea lot got done Steven I know he was a good friend of mine from England games you know and they all got done and chubby chick Chris Anderson uh tried to do him they I know Chris really well met him in England first England away game actually Spain uh I went on a bus with the Chelsea lot from uh from uh Chelsea on Sunday night what a trip that was eventually Uncle friends with Chris and he immigrated them like them on the morning they got off conversation they were emigrated to Thailand they bought bars and then buying the bar off him in in Thailand off Chris you know what I mean so how many people would fight for England well yeah it will come together didn’t we you know what I mean like I said I’ve said in Italian interview recently nobody could touch England in the uh 80s early 90s nobody could touch this you know what I mean so it’s only it’s only it’s all come full circle now it’s come back to Waters really aren’t it you know what I mean you know look at look at bloody Marseille with the Russians now you know what I mean so he’s coming back full circle on it how was it when you see it was it who was it was it Elite fans who get killed yeah you read things that aren’t as a possibility could have happened to yourself that’s right because I went to Turkey England and like I said earlier you know the carrying knives you upset the locals you know you’re probably not doing anything wrong the Leeds fans probably won’t do anything wrong it’s probably a bit boisterous in the pub singing lead songs locals don’t like it don’t like getting drunk you know what I mean somebody brought abusive to someone there an accident the knives are at you know what I mean that really doesn’t too much too much wrong and that’s what these countries used to visit that’s what happened yeah you know what I mean that’s the sad thing this is sad you know sad when the first family’s going to the game terminals are caught in a crossfire that’s right it’s probably you know like you say that’s probably happened because of because of the reputation of England fans in the 70s 80s you know you’re watching that I tell you 90 program over the last couple of weeks you know everyone’s afraid the England fans and the locals all turn out for you and then they don’t take no they don’t want to do on their doorstep but after time the England fan is just having a good time and they that that’s not the culture is it England fans like to just get drunk cover a bit of a sing-song and half the time they think he’s trying to cause trouble but with the aim you know what I mean who has that when it’s all over the news though that do you think the news glorify it a bit more well yeah the papers did glorify it you know I said this recently in that documentary I can remember going over to Germany ATA you know and uh the papers glorify it you know what I mean you know those paying people to cause trouble you know the Press were out there actually giving last money come on go and throw some glasses do this do that you know what I mean that’s what the Press were like back in the 80s why do you think there’s so much negative press when England playing World Cups and stuff well it’s it’s always been the same answer from the 70s when England ran right around Europe done it you know what I mean um I think Italy was the first tournament there was trouble 1980s you want to know where the Cs gas went up gas went up be on the ball to be honest behind the stand I think England is they want it you know and England’s always a bad reputation in tournaments since then the Spanish police were every 1982 there was trouble in Spain in H2 weren’t they uh even in Mexico 86 I think the argentinians caused more trouble than anybody a lot of England fans got attacked in Mexico by Argentinian fans you know what I mean um and then it was Euro 88 there was a lot of trouble out there you know England that was when England were really sort of going places um like Scotland used to come down in the 70s take over London didn’t they and then they were very early ages England fans had enough for that for like we’ll start going up to Glasgow and uh and I think I went to Glasgow 87 and 89 that’s when we first started traveling but it went to a previous one England first time ever went uh but England did for a while you know because Scottish Tech over London didn’t they you know what I mean but I think England fans had enough of it eventually Force audit we’re going to defend London you know what I mean do you miss that not not really not really now you know my life’s moved on it’s changed you know I don’t mind talking about the past it’s what I did you know I don’t like violence now I’ve got a 12 year old son that I take to football well you know you know you look back and think in them days not many families went to football you know they want a family orientated game it was just prior Lads or football fans and if you could dig into away games I said I repeat this used to get kicked as anyway if you want a flipping new league or he’s a normal fan and all the time the normal fans used to love it seeing us a lot because there’s walked back to the station where there’s no they’re being safe you know what I mean it’s completely changed now football it’s a family orientated game which is for the better you know what I mean I set my son there I don’t like I would hate him to see any violence I don’t want him going down that path you know what I mean yeah what happens if the Wee Man 17 18 no one says to look bad I mean they found that yeah well yeah she’ll get a bit of a slap right now I mean so you know yeah that’s one thing to do is put my appearance through a lot of crap over the years you know what I mean in the police knocking on the door the time you know I mean mum and Dad’s you know putting them for a lot of sleepless nights you know that’s one I do regret that you know what I mean did they know then that what you were doing yeah the uh yeah eventually got got cautious of it yeah did you ever get banned from any grounds yeah I’ve got first Banning orders 89 ordersfield in the cup away got six month done uh then I got banned again at Birmingham early 90s I think that was almost six month fan and then the then when the Civil battles come out 2000 they put me on one let me down as a major leader England games and uh we had some trouble in Greece in Athens um because of that the uh the British police decided to put civil Banning order on there they couldn’t tell you they couldn’t actually arrest you for what happened in Greece but there was a new law come out civil law and every I think every police officer that followed England they had a trial in Nottingham civil court magistrates court it’s kangaroo court and every police officer used to follow England come to witness against me and they’re gonna be a three-year civil Banning order and then uh and up to England turkey enough just off the Leeds thing at sunderland’s Grand and uh they’re basically telling me they wrote me a letter saying I want at the time you you you you you could go through that’s when England started changing from Wembley when the new Wembley was being done and you should travel around the country doing games um there’s no Lord cycle drink in that City but they reckon they sent me a letter saying I want allowed it in Sunderland that day but I never got a letter you know I mean I actually end up getting in some trouble with her Sunderland fans after the game I got arrested and uh obviously went to Crown Court in Newcastle you know and that’s when I got eventually uh prison in Durham so but then then obviously that I mean civil money order was coming to an end and then one because he went to prison the court was maximum six-year Banning order on you so I eventually got banned for nine years I didn’t see Forrest for nine years so yeah so when does it become Thai or something like that that would difficult Tyson then because uh I got really friendly with the Newcastle boys and uh obviously at the time they didn’t really know the law the selling band from England and Forest games so I thought I’m about I’ll go to a Newcastle in Europe the Newcastle in Europe because we’re under Robbie Robson started going a few Newcastle away came in Europe anyway Newcastle cop has stopped me in Rotterdam that’s what we’re doing here guys shouldn’t be here so we’ll never saw me I can’t go Newcastle so anyway Nottingham police had a word back with me when I got back and uh then I got a a letter from the uh British police say no and you passport in for Newcastle games when they’re playing Europe and there was in Europe in them group Champions League games I was at the bloody police station in on whatever every other week only possible in then for about another six years I got tiresome you know what I mean so yeah and then you got to apply to analogy somewhere and they wouldn’t give you you couldn’t go on holiday because you’ve got on your passport in you know things like that you know what I mean as their that the that happens after doing all that you don’t realize the extent there and then it’s obviously it can affect family it can affect yeah like you see a family or holidays and everything you know you get stressed you know and then I met my second wife uh just as a Banning order coming to an end in 2010 and uh I’ve been sawn in 2009 and the first game back I thought August of Forrest and Lee’s first game back ever was forced in leads couldn’t get a bigger game uh anyway the local police I went with my second wife and uh and then I’ve got friends with Forest captain at the time for a mutual friend and he started inviting me in the player’s lounge and at the security at Forrest come up to me in the players lands what you’re doing in here I sudden I’ve been invited in you know he couldn’t he couldn’t do anything about he didn’t want me in he said I want a meeting down and invite me down the ground to have a meeting there’s gonna put me on another civil Banning order who’s going to try and put me on the Civil Banning order to buy me from forest you know what I mean but I refuse to go to the meeting I didn’t go to the meeting yeah I bet they couldn’t do anything about it if I didn’t turn up on the meeting they couldn’t do nothing about it what was it like going back to our game after being banned filmed it was very weird very strange very weird feeling yeah I was nervous I’m not telling lies I was nervous you know I thought the eyes of whatever everyone’s eyes was on me you know what I mean it it was weird for a while how were you treated in prison very good actually they weren’t too bad because uh all the screws were Newcastle Lads and I know all the Newcastle boys and they they told them I’m all coming I’m coming in and they looked after me actually you know what I mean so I got looked after look there because it was a prison there’s murderers on me wing and everything you know what I mean and you’re there for football I mean just football well they told you on the door what are you doing the Geezer Ops me said life I ain’t got a clue what he’s doing he was he wasn’t very nice actually I didn’t really speak to him on my door it says four months and all he wanted to do was cause Avid so I’d do my full four months you know what I mean so he’s not bothered he’s doing life in there you know what I mean that’s that yeah but if you’re doing late for somebody’s doing four months you’re going to be angry at him yeah I mean yeah what was it daily routine like I kept myself to myself I mean they put me with somebody that was a in for fraud uh you’ve defaulted a company you worked for and he was a family man um and he was terrified you know I looked after him and put me in with him um and then eventually they moved me to a an open prison and he didn’t want me to go you know what I mean so I just stayed in it was 25 23 hour bangle he could go out for exercise but I’ll just stay in there we’re me I was in there with him keep your head down you know what I mean no confrontation then is he you know what I mean yeah how hard does it when Forest lose their reputation I’ve been a team in Europe won in trophies to then getting relegated like does that feel were you more anger going into the games or uh yeah or they got relegated to the third League while I was on one abandoning order actually and um so I didn’t see all the crap you know what I mean going to bloody Chester away on a Tuesday night but sir because we were the big fish in the third league and at the time a lot of allies were on Banning orders about 100 of us so that’s when the firm started spanning and when it didn’t really go and a lot of the little clubs took advantage of that you know what I mean but uh and then once I got the 16 share bunny in order to put me on a radius so I want allowed to go within 10 miles and knock your voice playing but on when I was on the Civil Banning order I used to get a car different way and just sit in the city center and have a night out and a drink you know what I mean but I want the light to go anywhere near it after that you know what I mean you clearly just love football you’d have probably been with any team that was playing if you could just go and watch something like that well that’s what I did I did sort of go into other games I went to a few Newport County games I got mates in Wales and I just should go for your Newport nobody bothered you down there the police didn’t know where you were and I I’m to be honest with you I used to do a few different games you know let me ask you a Newcastle I went up to Glasgow did a couple of ranges games you know um I went out the way I still wanted to watch football but I went offside you know what I mean so I still got me for football boys did you feed for other films no no no no no I just went for a drink in a day out I was just watching pure football then you know what I mean because I know some boys have went and I think it’s Tottenham and Aberdeen they’ve got a good connection yeah yeah that’s right yeah I thought it was weird I never knew that until last year did you grew a connection with any other films by you you were active yeah yeah yeah um we we couldn’t go friends with FC cologne in Germany um well I got I went over there for watched Newcastle at Leverkusen uh because I said earlier the police got me in Rotterdam and I shouldn’t really had gone but I got paranoid and I stayed in Cologne we were basis I was in Cologne and whenever cruises up the road like Nottingham to Mansfield I’ve got paranoid sending a clone on my own and do I watched the game in this Irish bar let’s play this ladke looking at me anyway I got it I went over to what we’re looking at you know what I mean because no no no no I said he said uh your Newcastle yeah I’m Newcastle because I’m FC cologne so okay mate I saw a beer shook his hand and I saw him Forest up from Nottingham because um do you know Gary Clark from Nottingham that’s I’m Gary Clark he won’t believe me I’d be passport oh man because I’m Gary Clark he said I remember watching BBC Hooligans Panorama and Gary Clark’s on there you know what I mean we say mates they invite me over to a clone game a few months later so I went over and I thought he knew everybody anyway after the game played Hanover four of us went over after the game he took us to their Pub walked in their Pub light and they didn’t really know anybody there’s about 50 lumps in there and then I thought okay what’s going on here filled in here you know what I mean anyway introduced me to one lad lovely lad he looked after us had a few drinks you know whatever else you do and the truck is around Cologne all night end up in some late night club stay mates forever and then they started coming over to Nottingham and it just grew and grew and now there’s probably 50 60 clone come over once or twice a year for first game there’s a lot go over there there’s different friendships now so we formed a really good friendship with FC cologne that’s mad I don’t know it’s mad yeah yeah it makes forever there’s a couple of them coming over with coins of Valencia uh December the 15th for a couple of them fly out to Valencia to meet us for a drink seeing you are doing like Panorama and your face is getting seen everywhere design enhance your reputation do you become more of a target for other firms yeah yeah that’s yeah yeah you did yeah yeah yeah yeah you do because you you know you’re on the national TV Panorama you know what I mean you’re a Target I mean I won’t wear any lights at Mill for a bit because obviously we’re playing me all that day it’s on the other police followed us and everyone yeah the meal a lot of going I’m on the phone undercover Cameron or the middle guys who think is you know what I mean so if it does done it you know what I mean you’re a Target aren’t you know what I mean see if mobile will ever get to the Premiership do you think the the Kingda fighting will become more Rife you could call it the Premier League now they came up for a couple of years and the old Den went down here a couple of times that was a bit hectic you know what I mean so very eerie place to go yeah it could be funny to see them in the Premier League to see you well I I yeah I don’t think it changed me honestly I don’t think that like I said earlier there’s conveyor belt of them you know what I mean I don’t think they’ve probably got the oldest shooting confirm in the world you know I think they’ve been in the 1670s are still at it aren’t they you know what I mean was it hard to see for us slapping down the legs yeah it was it was heartbreaking really you know the big club like Forest you know European Champions and I think we’re the first team ever to get relegated in Europe to get relegated to the 30th of the foot of the league you know what I mean so it was odd you know what happened it usually it was a ownership uh managed managers spending money wrong money you know and nobody took care of the club you know what I mean and there was people taking money out of the club that come in to take over started taking money out of the club you know what I mean so it’s a diamond spiral you know what I mean so they just went it just started UK in didn’t it you know what I mean the same news I’ve got a top fun he’s a winning trophies here for then you’re buying some games did you was it sad to see that fighting smaller clubs is wearing there’s not many as strong in the fun because you should all get Banning or does that is that hard to see yeah a lot of little firms took them okay you know what I mean and Forrest gonna come on stuck at a few places you know what I mean because you know and uh obviously there was less tickets in them leagues for smaller grants so he’s only getting a thousand way tickets so less fans went and and you were like the Manchester United in the third division so you’re the big fish everybody wants to the fryer you know what I mean uh who’s their Top Farms in these small divisions well you know you know you look at like teams like Portsmouth now that down there you know what I mean I mean Derby are in third division they’ve got to be a big fish now aren’t they you know what I mean but back in the Lincoln City were good Lincoln City were always good always tasty for him all as well representative England games uh Plymouth Argyle they’ve always had a top top mob in the lower leagues you know what I mean um there’s there’s one or two like I’ve said earlier you don’t want to respect anybody everyone’s got a little mob you know what I mean so but uh Lincoln were always good I always rated Link in the lower leagues over the years what about the Rival between forest and Derby how how bad is that yeah it stands sense probably from the early early 70s from the cloth cloth days really uh yeah it’s it’s a nasty rivalry you know what I mean it’s gone on for a long time you know uh we used to meet each other Rich skegness for a bank holiday punch up you know we meet each other offside they’d come on night start down here you know when they want no football you know what I mean so any excuse to have a tear up with them they’re just vice versa they’d come offside you know what I mean did cloth get any sticks or jumping from Derby Forest he still worships at both clubs to be honest with you he’s a god at Derby he’s a god at Forest you know Derby loves technically Mickey about us because one of his most favorite famous sayings when he I think when he uh came to Forest and he said oh nothing was never a football City so they always give cover that but I think I was just trying to wind everybody up you know what I mean one of his tactics yeah how was it right in your book uh yeah I quite enjoyed it it took about 12 months uh Martin King wrote it this Chelsea fan uh yeah you know book company at the time he did quite a few books that you know around the country and spent a lot of time on the south coast doing it with him he’d come up Nottingham a lot quite yeah it’s enjoyable doing it enjoyable experience you know what I mean we nervous releasing it not really because I got permission off all the lads you know I told everyone up front we’re doing it I said you want to be in it you can be in it if you don’t want to be in it I respected everyone’s like you know I suppose everyone’s you know like you say one should once you write the book as a case or anything not really no no regret because I did it to get out of it you know what I mean there was other people could have wrote books rather than me you know there’s a there’s two or three top boys I could have wrote a book they could still write a book you know I was never at the Forefront to write a book I did it for my own personal sacrifice really I wanted to get out of it I thought once you put pen to paper it’s it’s job done you know what I mean it was a football was a drug on it it’s hard to get out of it once you’re in it and I knew it was my time it’s gone you know I needed to move on I needed to settle down I needed to get out of children and you know there’s no that’s no life for family life is it you know what I mean so that’s why I put Pen’s paper and stuff you get in prison sentences you’re getting Banning or does you’re looking the older people did anybody ever say it what you’re doing is you’re just wasting your life like get your together obviously just in case I just keep doing what you’re doing it’s everything’s fine no yeah you know it was going to be embarrassing you know you’re getting nearly 40 you know what I mean and I I thought to myself you know I don’t want to be seen as a somebody in the 40s wearing Stone Island going down a match and still looking for trouble you know it’s not a dumb thing it’s a young young you know let the young ones get on weight these days you know back in the day you know what I mean and you know I know a lot of people I’d still like it you know what I mean but that’s a that’s her choice in it you know they do what they want to do you know what I mean what do you think about the young kids know who that I think it’s all changed it has changed I mean a lot a lot of Our Lives go down the gym you know they do train and you know there are Lads you know what I mean the game you know what I mean but it’s different ball game now I feel sorry for him because of doing anything wrong they’ll go straight to prison there’s cameras everywhere you know I tell them it’s not worth it but it’s their choice isn’t it you know I would like to see people getting involved in it now to be honest with you because the way throw your life away you start getting in trouble you know that some of them are in the 20s and 30s you don’t you know they’ve got good jobs it’s got mortgages you know they don’t want to throw all that away do you know what I mean what’s the biggest sentences you’ve seen getting through oh the biggest forest was that Everton Everton Phoenix um yeah there’s a couple of other mates uh from Stockport he got six years once you know what I mean and he’s been on more Banning orders than I’ve ever known in my life you know they come up for a drink with me the other week when I played Liverpool at home I mean he’s out of it now but I’ve never known anyone but it’s a band from football in my life I think he spent half his life in jail thought well you know what I mean all right let’s have that much though it is it’s too you know it’s too much and we laugh about it like but I said you know we laugh about it now but he’s turned his life around as well you know what I mean who’s the top boys at Forest well the older the the the the older generation from the 70s you know the the probably five years older than me um one of my good mates he’s always been our top boy we’re calling one punch you know he he went to him and he was a child at Middlesbrough I always respect him and I’d love him to and he’s one of the oldest man I’ve ever seen at football you know what I mean so but it will move on he’s moved on but there were several as of above me I was second generation there was a 70s generation I was the early age I was a casual generation you know what I mean a lot of lads around me back me up they’re ordering me you know I come to the north and stuff I did without them backing me up you know what I mean what’s that like going running towards people and you’ve got people backing up like and you know they’re not turning away like of course it is adrenaline Russian it’s a buzz you know what I mean you know you’re not going anywhere you know what I mean vice versa they’re probably the opposition they won’t go anywhere so a big tear up you know what I mean until the until everyone will worn themselves out or the police came in we’ll sit back his head to Hedges of Kenworth up with the funds how many people niche flipping I’ll come over man united at the Kilburn they had about 500 they did that daily Cup Final was like the start of the London marathon when he looked down that road you know I mean that was frightening I mean we actually stood we stood his ground for a while but we just got turned over the pub got turned over but he couldn’t you know there’s just too many of them people swamped as you know what I mean but uh we had some tasty raspberry Middlesbrough over the years Toe to Toe some good ones with Borough Birmingham you know what I mean the man united we’ve had a few in man united over the years could he FA Cup quarter final Old Trafford that was a Mayhem day as well you know it’s been there’s been several you know even the little ones I used to enjoy it when they want so many well there’s 50 of us yeah I’ve got a bigger boss when they want so many of us you know what I mean we had the more tight knit group you know what I mean but there were so many games and I went no those games every day yeah I think there are people coping in Champions League now yeah obviously Chapman mates for last week and uh they’re in Europe they went to Marseille last week and they’re in Europe they’re going AC mil AC Milan soon and he’s been to AC Milan twice last few years it’s morning and time off work in it it’s that much football now yeah you know but we’d love it if Forrest got back in Europe because we all go again we haven’t been for years you know what I mean so I bought Valencia we’ve got pre-season friendly why not preseason pre-World court and I’m taking me lad and it’s a wonderful celebration of Valencia’s Grand theft’s been invited over it’s fights with their first European team to play in Valencia in 1961 so we’re we’re the guests to celebrate 100 Years of their stadium so I bought books before I taught me boys for Christmas is that excited you know what I mean did you ever walk up out like without the football walk about the streets and see rival funds and did anybody ever put it on you yeah I’ve been in the wrong place at the wrong time a few times you know what I mean you’ve been down in London you know and uh you know you you know you knew you want from you know you could tell by the clothes you wore and the Swagger you had do you want the you want from the city and then put it on you you know what I mean there’s times in London they’re always getting London big sister you go to a match you go offside for a bit of a few beers and you’re back to train some pain because she’s always bump into some mob you know what I mean yeah I’ll get put on and put on you or you know yeah have you ever heard of any close calls where you’re thinking my life right and digital loads of times loads of times yeah I’d be lying if I didn’t you know what I mean so how do you get through it then like how do you get let’s see if you’ve had a good tear out if you believe in the past that is it hard to sleep with the adrenaline or do you sleep okay no no you’d be thinking about it all night half the time you know I mean buzzing so yeah it’s good for your dreams you know for your nightmares all dreams you know what I mean yeah no so assuming it started to become entire some you started to get into prison like was it 39 decided enough yeah that’s right I think obviously enough you know I mean I think it’s getting to that big 4-0 and I thought you know I can remember police officers come up to me once I was up court for something and he goes you’re far too old for this guy he’s you know by the time you were got out of it it did home actually when he said that too man I actually said to him I don’t think I am you know what I mean but I thought of his words run true actually and I thought he’s right he’s right you know what I mean what am I doing messing about at that age you know you know what I mean yeah so Stephen you you come out then if you’ve been involved for 20 years that how hard is that to tell people how do you just step away without telling anybody like how does it work it was odd it was odd it was hard to get out of it you know what I mean I told a few close PALS like but I still you know people look up to you and then people you know what we’re doing next week or I deliberately went out the way offside I didn’t want to go around in groups anymore you know I know a little four or five makes I won’t go around I tried to avoid the pubs because you can be in the wrong place at some time at the wrong time sorry you know if I go to the pools where I know the lads were drinking something happened I’m in that Pub you know I was still at the bar something might happen and you know and because of my reputation or whatever I could get into together so I would deliberately avoided them pups for a long for a few years you know what I mean Association basically just yeah he’s guilt about Association yeah and then again you’re Banning order if you’re seeing in a portfolio of 200 boys for a game I actually could be I was told when I’ve sort of going back to Forest by the security in fact we see you down here in a group of more than 10 people we’re having you we’ll ban you from forest I was actually told by him when soccer went back in 2010 and actually warmer so how hard was it this thought that like you knew they say to write an officer enough and so you know there was a good Farm down the road and it was going to kick off that is it like an addiction we are totally fainting against it or did it become easier because you know they’re just becoming a waste of time it was easier because because obviously I got that banning all the way I want a lad for uh for a few years from 2003 2004 and I won’t lie back until 2010 so I didn’t go anywhere near it for a while and then when I just started going back down I first met my second wife and I started going to the message with her so you know I got out and gradually took a few years I’ve got I want allowed to go so I went cold turkey anyway you know what I mean was it late coming off drugs like yeah yeah yeah it was difficult yeah yeah yeah it was difficult could you speak to other people who had done the same who stepped back from it yeah like rehab in it yeah it’s like rehab yeah it’s like a cocaine addiction isn’t it you know what I mean you have to go cold turkey it takes a while to get off it you know what I mean did anybody from your phone Goa he’s losing the enemy of any negative comments I think one or two but uh there’s one or two said behind me back sort of thing I know I know that for a fact because people tell me you know I mean one or two had ammonia what I mean but not a lot of main mates and the main Lads yeah they put them right you know what I mean they stuck up for me you know what I mean so yeah that is that a difficult thing when you if people start turning against you because you think you’ve turned against them by walking away not really because the the people that did it probably I know they want really front line anyway you know what I mean it’s just a Hangers On You know what I mean so I won’t really but I won’t really bothered that’s it you know I decided to move on it’s my choice I’m not listening to other people anyway you know what I mean that’s how you know is that Italian anything you’ve done there yeah what was that a three-part Series yeah three-part series um uh it’s called Italian Icee oh the game changed forever because uh I’ve I saw 85 they wanted a documentary highlighted from 85 The Bad Times Gone up to 1990 how to change the British game because it didn’t want England go in and then I don’t think if we haven’t done so well when the the fans would have got kicked out Italian I said I don’t think they really would have been a bird for the Premier League a couple of years later so they wanted me all that money coming in people want to put money into British football so I did change change you know football forever really you know and England get into the semi-final got the field goal facts about didn’t it you know I mean Brit for the British game yeah who has that seen England but semi-finals finals and does that meet you mess up when you’re seeing such big events in partly you wish you were well bang involved or is it just being good now being a family man and enjoying it more well yeah I didn’t I didn’t go to England I think you can watch England from 2001 um so Milad wanted to go obviously he started like in England watch it on telly and I took him to a nation’s game uh two three years ago and then obviously the Euros last last year uh yeah I sort of got the buzz because England started doing well I managed to get a couple of Germany tickets last minute the night before so I said to him we’re going to England Germany buzzing and then uh we’ve got the book again for you know Wembley it was a bit like 96 won it you know they feel good facts and I went to the semi-final I think I came to the semi-final I took him to the final match to get a couple of final tickets so to watch England in the final wheel at you know that gave me you know that was good I enjoyed that did you not go to the England game specifically because you were scared to get back involved again yeah yeah it’s too many idiots go now I don’t want to go anywhere near it you know what I mean plus oh I am you know there’s always a chance someone who might have a puppet here you know what I mean I don’t I don’t want to I want bothered about it you know what I mean because reputations proceed themselves you know I didn’t want to get back into that sort of thing and there’s always somebody willing to have a go because I’m quite high profile media now as well do a lot of books documentaries and stuff there’s always someone has one ever pop in there so I could have a little bit of caps either way of it as well the problem is England you know what I mean it starts to enjoy it and knowing whose dad’s reputation is as well yeah he don’t really you don’t really know yeah he and you know you don’t really he ain’t grasped it yet you know what I mean but one day he’s gonna but he was obviously going to find out but obviously we’ll talk I’ll have a talk one day you know what I mean does that become a body for you in case a little bit a little bit a little bit Yeah but um he’s level-headed he will know you know you know he’ll know it’s all back in the past you know what I mean but there’s always people going to tell him in there you know what I mean yeah it’s muscle things you know what I mean people wouldn’t leave that yeah so how old is he now 12 12 yeah yeah it’s basically at schools in that if you’re on TV and reading books and this is the age now yeah yeah a lot of with the internet as well we’re just handy in it online YouTube whatever so where do you go now for the future Gaza uh I follow Cricket a lot I follow England abroad at Cricket I’m going to Pakistan a week on Monday for the first test so I’ve been since I’ve been packed up the football I’ve been going a lot a lot of cricket games away I’ve been Barbados four times and on four India at all Sri Lanka South Africa Australia I’m following England cricket it’s different type of people like you can have a drink the police don’t bother you you know the nice people like football I’d start going to Cricket as well you know behave themselves nowadays but like myself getting on a bit starts a bit Sunshine watch a bit of cricket on my booze you know you visit tropical countries you never dream of going so I follow Cricket around the world now do you think you just like being in that sort of environment just yeah yeah I like sport you know in our lives have I kicked off with a can I get fans very I’ve I’ve seen some trouble in Sri Lanka once uh very rare it’s very rare again if in you know everyone like you know everyone has a bit of a laugh and talk about the old days you get a lot of football as you get Cricket but everyone 99 everyone’s well behaved you know I mean uh just have a laugh together you know I mean even he’s a lot of Derby if that’s good to the cricket you know what I mean give yourself some cells you know what I mean we don’t really mix with them but you’ll say hello but there’s never no trouble you know what I mean seeing you’re sitting in a cricket watching a cricket got a paint do you have a look around and think me man that yeah I’m either getting older than me that just try to live a safe life but you have a question you used to be Frontline man you used to be bang involved I know you’re certainly a crack at having that paint do you ever get paranoid as well the Corpus are still looking at you oh that’s so fast because I used to do shoplifting back in the day even now when I walk through yeah the alarms I still think this is going to go off here but do you see you’re sitting in a crowd do you feel as if the Corpus may be still watching you or is that paranoia going no you do you do think that way you do you’re still in your head you know what I mean I mean a login police officer come to me at Brighton every week night game and uh he comes chatting to me but I’ve been told I’ve been told now because I’ve got a couple of mates who are in the force they’re used to go football and decided to join the police force on a later date and uh they’ve actually told me they’re not bothered about me anymore I’m not I’m not on their radar anymore which is good to hear in it yeah I mean because it’s you’re always worried didn’t it but yeah you see Association bang for you know you’re locked up you’re banned on football for leaflet yeah how do you think you’d have handled that if you’ve got a life ban but some people well yeah because it affect me some money you know what I mean I won’t be able to take into an England any more Forest game you know what I mean it would it would have that would have hurt me more than anything because obviously Lads Bang into football loves football I won’t be able to take into Valencia in a couple of weeks whatever and we’ll stick into England Euro final last year yeah you know that it’s a long-term effect isn’t it thank God you know the right time out of it a fly out to a week on Tuesday to um Pakistan I have to change planes planes in dollar guitar fine with guitar Airways and actually changed planes today England played Wales in that City you know what I mean so I figure we’re saying could imagine if we get stops in Doha they’re turning around I’m going to Pakistan for the cricket you know what I mean Lads yeah I know you know what I mean yeah yeah yeah it’s receiving it let people assuming you get a Banning order see if you go to a game and get caught what happens well you you’d probably get a prison sentence or you’d be a big FD fine and put another Banning order wouldn’t you yeah so yeah yeah what’s it like for the games you do get Leaf bands I was wondering makes on life bands banned from fries for life you know I think they’re eating it now you know what I mean so they can’t go and what’s not in forest and they’re my age and got a bit older they’re on lifespans they’ve got Congress alone game you know you know back in the Premier League now you know they couldn’t go to Wembley last year you missed it out now aren’t they you know what I mean what was it like then obviously trying to change your life become more calmer watching Cricket Forest getting into the playoffs that was all Dodges coming back enjoying the atmosphere and the emotion of getting in the playoffs and go to Wembley and taking him to Wembley because he’s on a shooting tickets hit you with four he’s never seen any success and we’re going to Wembley when we beat Huddersfield he’s actually he was raw in it a full-time whistle you know that was one of the best days of my life watching watching Forest if you forget all the Cup finals and everything after 23 years about I’ve been at the Premier League and going when you saw me watching Forrest win at Wembley getting back to the promised land and seeing him the raw emotion coming out of it out of him it gave me so much so much joy you know what I mean all right well aspect that was better that beats all the football hooliganism back in the day watching your son was celebrating that Forest back in the Premier League that beats anything yeah most important most important yeah yeah it’s fantastic so assuming you get get to the Premier League what you’re thinking then like 20 odd years and your brand new Uprising you’ve Banning orders and then this moment comes where he’s at listeners best league in the world yeah I mean like yeah the names know the managers that’s a great league but yeah what you’re thinking when you get are you just happy that you can enjoy those moments with your son yeah you think me you mind like we’re going into big big leagues again no I don’t think that way anymore I’ll be honest that would never answer my mind I’m I’m just enjoying the fact I’m taking him to Old Trafford uh actually uh the Emirates Tottenham I’m enjoying taking him you know what I mean it’s about him now you know I’m just enjoying watching him enjoy it you know what I mean you know and hopefully Forrest will stay up this season and the bigger things as bigger things are going to come we’ve got great manager great great Club a great owner great back room great chairman you know what I mean great board so yeah so what do you think for us this chances are staying up this year uh I I thought the beginning season would finish at least off way but obviously we had that wobble and we had a lot of players come in to gel at the same time and things went backward a bit but Steve Cooper was that good a manager and the board kept face the fans kept Faith they don’t just become a bad manager overnight he’s had a hard job to bring all these players together you know and we’re just in a bit of form now and I think I think we’ll stay up I do believe we’ll stay up you’re too good a manager uh we’ve got good players you know and we’re just starting to jail now we’ve got that five week break more time for him to jail together get to know each other more and I think we’ll stay on whose fault is this greatest ever player well uh John Robertson John Robertson and Ian story Moore voted the best two ever I would say John Robertson in my day I didn’t really see him story more even though he’s a good friend a friend of mine now and Robbo is as well uh Stan collie more great sense forward I’ve ever seen down there to be honest with you and we’ve had two years of Stan you know I enjoyed watching Stan but the European Cup team they’re all good players you know we have some great players over the years Roy Keane was brilliant Nigel Clough you know Martin he was good morning oh yeah great great player you know what I mean two Champions League’s man yeah so yeah you can’t you know you can’t see he won two yeah yeah that’s right you know I become good friends without you they’ll be outside now you know through me mate um who made a film about about that I believe in miracles I’ve got to know them all last few years so I have them down at Carlton town as guest speakers now and they all come down here for nothing you know give up the time on Saturday afternoon in the clubhouse do a quick q a and none of them want anything you know I mean they’re good as gold all of them John O’Hare brilliant people you know what I mean uh who is that looking back in your life so far I’ve enjoyed it you know it’s been a roller coaster don’t get me wrong it’s been a roller car I don’t I don’t regret anything you know I’ve lived life to the full you know I’ve had a good time I’ve seen a lot of countries met a lot of good people you know and for the football I wouldn’t know all these people if you want for the football you know what I mean I’ll visit people in different places you know it’s been the roller coaster but it’s been more ups and downs you know what I mean yeah what about your second book is coming out yeah we’ve started work on the second book I’m doing it with a co-author he was he had a checkered past back in the day in Nottingham different he’s a forest fan as well but he runs a global World charity now called World game changers I’m a patron for them we do a lot of good stuff in the community um so I’ve been helping them out last couple of years I’ve got to know them during covid I did a couple of uh books chapters for him in in their books and we decided to write a code book uh we saw it on it last week we’re doing another chapter tonight after we’ve finished it’s called the angels with dirty faces you know I can turn your life around you know what I mean you know it’s not all doom and gloom even though what we did in the past but now we do a lot of good stuff in the community you know I work down here for this club you know I work for that charity as well so we try and put a bit back you know what I mean yeah that’s what we’re talking about here that’s having a positive impact because you do a lot for this club let’s talk about this club and give that a shout out so what does it you do here have a marketing commercial manager commercial manager I’ve got to know last few years I used to come up with a few fundraisers at Christmas got another chairman enjoying covert we won’t answer we’ll watch Premier first division football but normally football we could still come and watch it so I started coming down to a few games really enjoyed it kind of a drink outside of the pitch and uh unfortunately uh the commercial manager had passed away through covid so there was a void at the club we left it uh of course is you know to the family and everything we left it at one and she even asked me to do a fancy doing the job and I thought oh yeah it’s a privilege yeah yeah I’ll come on board you know he knows I know a lot of people I can bring a lot of funds into the club got a lot of good mates at willing to help out you know and I get contacts and I’m enjoying it and I believe in putting something back into football and taking it out like I did in the 80s you know what I mean yeah so this is Carlton Town Football Club yeah how was it when you first came was the only raised eyebrows because yeah I think there was something the chairman told me recently you know he said you know I’m not going to lie to you he said there was one or two people questioning the decision you know why why are you taking Gary on you know with checkered past but the chairman said you know he’s complete change guy you know what I mean we’ve got a total faith in him and he backed me to the hill you know and um which is great in it you know somebody’s having a bit of faith in you because not everybody has faith in you because they look at their past all the time they think you don’t change you know what I mean yeah no but fair play your man like for anybody that’s watching because you’ve been a man who’s been under involved in it today and changing his life for anybody that’s maybe an ally if I claimer being Dodger or maybe struggling in life what advice would you have for them I’ll say that you know you can turn it round you know there is life after after it you know what I mean I’ve done it myself you know I was in the doldrums you know and like all the people you interviewed you know what I mean you can move on if you you know if you put your heart to it you can set your mind to it it’s a mindset you can move on I know a lot of people who make uh runs a boxing club in Nottingham and he was in gang culture back in the day and uh he’s done exactly the same he helps out in the community you can turn it around you know what I mean so you know don’t give up yeah what about yeah yeah where can people buy your book your first book Amazon my first book’s still on Amazon um the second one will be out in all back in February that’ll be available on Amazon it’ll be available in good book shops as well we’ll do a launch down here we don’t I think we’re doing a launch in Murphy tan Murphy Town football clubs we’ve got a relationship with Murphy town there as well we play each other uh preseason Friendly’s we went to merthyr this summer they came up to us last year but they turned to come up here next year that’s from a good friend that works at Forest The Collection there you know what I mean so watch our social medias and that Galley just in case people want to get in contact I’m on Facebook Gary boatsie Clark uh on Twitter Gary boatsie um and then Instagram is Gary boastie Clark as well who’s the boss I mean that’s my nickname back in the day I I had some trainers in the early 80s when I was about 16. I’ve always had big feet when the Puma G Villas come in and we should wear tight faded jeans and that I’ll come in the pub one day with his new blue trainers on one of the lads when they look like boats I mean I was only 16. he just stopped everyone caught my boat sir you know what I mean so it’s just stuck ever since Gary brother that’s not funny I enjoyed that no problem would you like to finish up on anything no thanks for coming down to SEMA you know I’ve enjoyed it yeah thanks again mate and once you get your second book man we’ll get it back one again foreign
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Nottingham Podcast #1 Fez Aka “Raja” talks life
of the law
as well no joke i got locked up from
manslaughter
i had about 15 charges
welcome to not start online podcast
you’re recording right now yeah we’re
recording right now bro bastard i’ve
seen
my guy around the corner him and his
brothers are thicker is a bit longer
than that
he’s going on a few years oh yeah yeah
but obviously
you know what he’s feeling before me you
know me you know my your you know my
oldest and that yeah you know
from the first time i met you in that my
old son
oh
um last time i almost heard from you you
had a bit of uh bits and bobs going off
uh he was quite heavily involved in the
game i heard that you’ve cleared up your
back now you’re not um no no no i’ve
done my thing both you know anyone
around ng2 you know
they know about his brother’s boy yeah i
do my thing i’ve been doing my thing for
a hot second or not but you know what it
is when i mean in the hot second decade
it’s not even like off okay but
you know i’ve not progressed in that but
you know sometimes
mind over matter really you can have pee
but you know like i said like i said to
you though you could have money you
could buy a bed but you [ __ ]
can’t get no sleep yeah no you could buy
a club yeah but you’re not getting time
or whatever the [ __ ] when everybody in
the morning
it’s a blessing to have so many women
around y’all
that are nice of you in that but you see
what it is like i said to you look up
you know i do my thing shout out to phil
you know sometimes you can sit somewhere
with no money yeah and getting cheated
like a king
about two things
but let me say a lot of muslims are nice
a lot of white people in the world yeah
yeah yeah yeah you know you know
i’m always promoting you know this guy’s
half asian brother
[Applause]
hey you see a lot of muslims like this
and like that when you get a lot of
white people like this and like that and
black people like oh you can’t
generalize you see what it is you have
to understand one thing yeah where we
come from
about it
good question
that’s a good question
yeah pick it there you go easy life or
something easy life for some people is
paying their bills and living comfy like
man like me i’ve never paid bills
mortgages yeah
asian yeah our asians work yeah yeah
that’s got so many answers
you know i mean because they had
children and everything i’ve got no kids
not this i just thought you know what
i’m going to hold back from that life
because it’s just a sacrifice [ __ ]
take mine if you want yeah
if you want you could i’m dead
enough of them the [ __ ] oh this is a
my oldest is seventies
unfortunately yeah yeah yeah yeah but
yeah she’s good now my oldest is
something and no i fought with him i
talked to him he’s all right you know i
mean and
my second is my daughter my third i got
another boy
it is what it is phil you know
you know what it is boys like i said to
you on the way down yeah boys when you
when you fall over you call for who your
mom yeah yeah
oh mama mama with the girls fall over
daddy
yeah i mean it is what it is but go back
so many hundreds of you know hundreds of
years
[Music]
people talk about slavery like oh this
and that and this and that but it’s like
modern day slavery is in britain
why not shot some jobs you’ll get them
cali
if not come
all in it that’s what i like about you
first man you’re always nice to everyone
you’re always you’re always cool man
yeah man you’re nice to me you know what
you know what the people saying my cool
shirt you’re gonna say another video
everyone likes i never knew i’m talking
[ __ ] about you from you know what i mean
i respect
a bit different yeah we’ve got we’ve got
we’ve got wound crime we’ve got knife
crime we’ve got we’ve got drug culture
but i think you know we don’t really
hear about murders we hear about a
little beef that’s called this stuff but
it’s it’s really human
this is a place where you can come
together
i don’t i don’t hold a grudge against
them do you know what i mean that hold a
grudge because they are aware because
i’m probably doing things wrong as well
it is as long as someone’s trying to
burn your hearts down
[ __ ] it breaking hearts is a part of the
game yeah as long as so much has to
ignite your [ __ ] ass and burn your
ass yeah yeah yeah you get me if they’ve
got a chest in the ove kingdom that’s
the kingdom but you know yeah yeah it is
what it is anyway yeah
it’s one minute it’s one man a bit he’s
like i’m sorry i am professional nothing
you paid though
i didn’t [ __ ] tonight
just by chance you know what i mean what
for the sex in it no not for the sex bro
you’re gonna leave disrespectful
people have yeah for real man
but they are evidence of
the fact that you know like the wives
are really [ __ ] good wives mind
they’re really [ __ ] really good
really like really like that called you
do you are just don’t give them kids is
that what it is
[Music]
what went wrong with england here was
when yeah the women got into feminists
and started burning bra started leaving
the ass not around for the kids the kids
didn’t get you know
holy play all right let me see let me
finish that situation how come there’s
no more churches left yeah i don’t know
this is more must than churches
because
there is no because
because there is no moderation
no there is
i mean the reason why i think that
australia is around
what you’re going to say what was it so
the church you’re losing for the
churches yeah disappearing and
everything in england yet it’s
unfortunately i believe because the
family unit was hurt you know what i
mean by the women going out to work and
stuff like that you know what i mean
women talking about women
right now i mean no no no no no because
the dad wants it that way because a dad
provides a woman loves her [ __ ]
husband and she wants every
high standard as possible well my
husband comes at him i want to be nice
and confident
it was like that it started changing you
know you know what i say to my oh shout
out
shout out to rage i’ll shout out to the
because you’ve done a lot of stuff i
know you’ve done high level stuff for a
long time i don’t know what we’re going
to go we’re going to go on another
podcast in the area yeah we’re gonna
pull up to people and let them see what
what their fault
i know i don’t know over the years i’ve
worn you down a bit and you thought you
know what it feels all right yeah
yeah we work together yeah you
you are what you want
yeah well it’s beautiful to be
[ __ ] alive and uh what happened
then when you got fingered then was it
dangerous what happened yeah you know
what it is there’s another no i’ve got
shank i’ve got something five times
people talk five times five times
[ __ ] home i’m so glad you’re alive
you know yeah i don’t know but you see
what it is
sometimes
[Music]
from that’s just head topped one more oh
i’ve gone yeah got a corn yeah it got
done two two caliber 20 22 you put it in
your cycling that but yeah yeah yeah
yeah
you’ve done enough to hit the boat in
the [ __ ]
up there i
you don’t like the same old guy like
from every day i’ve seen you very
consistently well i’ve been actually a
shout out to my
a lot of people [ __ ] about me
you know what it is
yeah but you see what it is
you see what it is
the reality is this might be true i
don’t even know it might be [ __ ] it
might hurt it though yeah it might be
shoe it might be false just did you just
say view in it but you see what it is
what i’ve noticed yeah is that when you
when when you look good on eid
you know what eid is it yeah christmas
you see not white my name don’t hate me
like that because when we go to westwood
road tomorrow and we’ve got 30 black
and a few other people patrick paddy
yeah
when i was a kid what’s that a knife
ruined again yeah i got shanked i got
sliced on my on my leg both legs
but it’s like it’s painful that one
doesn’t matter
yeah put your finger in here don’t
wonder man y’all put your finger in this
[ __ ]
come on
what’s the future saying for you then
bro what are you on this podcasting or
what don’t you want to like like borrow
my studio to do postcards with your
emails you know i need you to come with
me
with a video
let’s go
a lot of people not to do nowhere wrong
yeah
somebody knows them yeah and you’ve done
them wrong right words and then dave and
[ ] these are getting their [ ]
your mom’s tv as
things are going up like petrol i don’t
even drive dude i haven’t drive my butt
my mates have been having their bills go
up like five dollars a month extra
because they’re driving jobs because
they’re doing driving jobs so like you
pay your own wages
my left hand’s up because you know
headshot mode really can’t feel it what
can
inflation everything’s going up yeah
they’re saying england’s going to be
fought the same the titans have turned
in it obviously america’s falling on it
you know i mean like the the story the
prophecy is coming true in it yeah
prophecy i said that yeah yeah
everything you do you feel quite living
two kingdoms
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but you know what i will flex on your
[ __ ] arshia and go to florida but
you’re almost covered in divers
you come back you fall this is my
t-shirt by the way buy it or not start
online forward slash nft get yourself a
robin hood t-shirt what is that yours
yeah shout out where’s mine there yeah
i’ll go for it no they said i swear
i know him he’s like oh what the [ __ ]
he’s doing you don’t have to come off
that back right now i’m saying yeah yeah
right now i didn’t ruin you over on it i
see your face on it and he gave me
around another guy
i just know about myself and i can watch
myself i don’t know about it i’m feeling
as well i love good things you’ve got
five [ __ ] around him i can’t vouch
for him
yeah i’m saying that a lot of people go
through my [ __ ] in life yeah i’ve never
done hard drugs like that yet but i know
that sometimes yeah they might have been
tricked into the right man you know how
that man’s life how it came about you
know i mean you just don’t know
but there’s no excuses for it like you
say but you know i never judge a man but
i’ve got no addictions live but you know
what some things are difficult
what your addiction isn’t it sometimes
it’s something madness that’s not
nothing to do with drugs you put it to
the lifestyle some people are dangerous
to drugs some people are addicted to
gambling some people are addicted to
making money yeah some people are
addicted to [ __ ] yeah some people you
know
shout out to get to me once in a pub
yeah are you going to see this yo he
said to me you said you could you okay
listen to me you could you could trust
someone with with with your drugs but
you can’t trust him with your money i’ve
given him this much and i tested him and
he it’s a point [ __ ] fall down he’s
lifting you know you can all we in the
lifestyle we’ve lived and the age we are
we we
clever enough to enjoy yeah of course
yeah because people have been there and
done it themselves aren’t there so we
know what’s going on
just like our parents you say to us
don’t do this you know what tomorrow
you’re gonna and it’s true tomorrow we
see it hard so now we’re gonna do our
gamble now we have to make any means
necessary to [ __ ] so but you
know it is yeah i’m thankful to my
parents and i’m thankful to
the
fat food to england
yeah what the [ __ ] with that free nhs
free like i said before yeah
all right it is what it is it’s what
you’re making
i’ve given
i’ve not been that successful i’ve not
really been involved in crime like
heavily that much that’s all really i’m
it’s just mental health it’s just so
hard sometimes people you know i mean
because it’s stupid and you’ve childish
or it’s just like you need to grow up i
need to grow up or whatever it’s like i
don’t want to throw my life away or
anyone’s hurt anyone or anything what
you know because the end of the day
anger does wear off if you can find
something to to
channel it or waits or something or
something
yeah
it’s really really ticked all my boxes
really but sometimes yeah
i’m the worst guy to ask questions but i
can’t back out about me i’ll tell you
whatever you want but not about shout
out to my own podcast because i feel
soon yeah because you don’t want to
answer questions though not about other
people
i don’t know
i caught me off with a fallout what is
she what is [ __ ] is she human but she’s
not eating this [ __ ]
right i’ve not really hit my target yeah
i’m not really hitting no marks yet i’ve
always been part of all people’s lives
if you’re not i mean like sometimes i
think that’s a new one on my own so i
know ain’t going to go nowhere because
you’re watching the channel
though so she doesn’t need to move in
she doesn’t think that come on you know
you do your thing i need to get a
[ __ ] job one or something or do
something with my life i mean like this
podcasting it’s all right and everything
but
trying knowing it i’m trying i’m trying
my life i’m not really trying i’m not
really trying i’m just podcasting is
like this much in my my whole week in it
i’m just [ __ ] yeah i wake up in the
morning like you said i’m going to do a
podcast i don’t want to
edit it tomorrow night let’s let’s let’s
travel isn’t it that’s cool that’s good
places
multicultural team people if you’re busy
you said you put your gloves up man you
put them off again
you know you’ve got to deliver something
to society what do they want come with
us
we’ll show you the date every podcast so
yeah we’re linking up this place blah
blah blah call with us
can we [ __ ] get in peru i’ll be
anywhere with you
the next podcast rap
if i’m not in them
i want criminal stories and [ __ ] people
that wanted people want to hear because
we were a bit cagey
we got a couple people yeah you know i
don’t know
how people were really
you know too heavy man i don’t know
i’m on my own with cameras and mics and
uh in dangerous places where people are
making real money and i mean they just
don’t want to see me doing that it’s a
bit i wouldn’t want to see it i’d kick
him off the block i’d be like oh maybe
that’s what they say i feel they know
you enough but you know what it is they
don’t want to get the last one they were
nice to me but really truthfully i mind
my business that’s why they’re nice
changing about what i’m saying needs to
do end of the day
any money i can do anything like that
man
any man can do anything
give up on me
to my brother’s
oh my god dog needs to come and see me
because i’m full he used to reward him
you know
how quick you know you [ __ ] hear me
i don’t want to be a player kid i don’t
know [ __ ] put bets on that make sure
that bastard [ __ ] wins
quicker the worst thing i’ve ever done
gambling not horses and sports is long
drawn up no ari puffs yeah and what the
[ __ ] got certain horses on bastards i
yeah
i didn’t know a couple hours back in the
day when i was about 20. i’m talking
about saudi arabia yeah they’re popping
ones yeah pop ones yeah yeah yeah
probably own horses
yeah 50 million for a horse no one got a
jaguar gold jacket i wouldn’t look gold
it’s like gold colored jack top of the
range uh for his 21st birthday was
rolling down hockey yeah drunk about
three in the morning with him he was
like that [ __ ] i was like because
obviously he’s younger than usual yeah
big people yeah he like scraped down
somebody’s like oh well you know what i
mean you should i just thought i’m
getting out this guy this guy’s mad like
they’re mad they’ve got big people
yeah you’re going to tell me tomorrow
are you chatting [ __ ] to me
but why not that we should be grateful
because another day not income is the
sort of place where it’s invested
they’ve invested in that seat i’m
grateful for him to be here
that’s a lot of money getting splashed
around and not in a minute i know he’s
creating a lot of inflation with the
house price and stuff like that and
renting and stuff like but end of the
day that’s a lot of people getting paid
if it’s coming to nottingham i’m happy
one
for that a little bit because i’m really
normal
generation even saying that it’s
anything
yeah but i don’t want zeppelin
so what you see normal the point is
yeah the normal night
you know you know generational money is
beautiful yeah and you’ve got 100
million you know you could put 50
million under your mattress buy 20 cars
100 200 thousand pounds worth of jewelry
buy your baby between my baby with
buying [ ] asses i still got [ ]
so many millions yeah but you’ve only
got one move yeah between five brothers
yeah i know you’re [ __ ]
you get 15 family members yeah
yeah yeah oh you got two movies
yeah yeah yeah yeah birthdays come every
year [ __ ] christmas comes easter
comes [ ] everything comes [ ]
happy bunny [ ] [ ] you name it
fourth of july [ __ ] it up well there’s
no rest for the best
once around here check it i had 30
people against me
all these like yeah
40 of them yeah yeah yeah yeah
yeah
big old school business
you know
again yeah what all these my comments no
i don’t say that
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with him and stuff like that and every
single day i see him and we talk holy
stuff
he talks on the heart bro
that’s how i remember i don’t know from
nothing nobody knows that i’ve never
seen him back to anybody so you might
know the old one under the new one
that’s why i can’t have that talk yeah
like i said before 99 of the time your
own people take you out you know you’re
talking about them yo this is the papers
bro
real talk for tv yeah
let the people know what the truth is
i
but i’ve got love for everyone yeah i’m
with you in it because of you i should
love to have you all right
if it weren’t for you if i had anything
no one knows
my recordings
but not everyone’s like sometimes they
get offended very easily no i can sit
with you comfortably that’s why i know
you’re sick i can sit with you i can sit
with you
um so if you’re gonna give someone
someone after being shanked five times
yeah i’m getting ahead for my podcast
what advice would you give me yo don’t
do no [ ] up [ ] you know just you
know it’s people out there that are uh
stronger than me bigger than me better
than me of course you know a lot of
people of course look in person you’re
in person
i
i was away for the half of the second
year whatever it was i was there i was
only there for like two years and i must
have missed half the year like 50
attendance yeah and they’re not going to
stop me from doing that that’s how i’m
at isn’t it i had discipline yeah you
wish you could go back to school
no no
i wish i could go back to it you know so
you got regret i forgot to get his head
up a bit more regret is it yeah
don’t know the work environment for it i
just know that
it’s just nice to
know what it is my nephews are doing it
my kids are doing it yeah yeah i’m just
going to maintain what the [ __ ] got for
mortgages yeah of course you are going
to maintain nothing
yeah questions
yeah
i want i want to keep charity the way
you travel
straight yeah
real talk for tv there’s [ __ ] you
think for us is taking me somewhere
equity is not equity gets run out now
it’s 2022. shout out to the people
trying to make it 200 300 400 bucks
[ __ ] bro real talk might be anything
to ask about me but it ain’t nothing the
government the system how it works right
now you’re going to be it’s different
but i want to leave a couple houses for
my kids yeah i want to be different yeah
yeah that’s nice if you’ve done that
that is amazing
yeah
like good credit and a job and all that
sort of stuff man i think that’s the
only way in life that you can do it
manifest you know i mean
plastic
is not good money but it is like good
money because if you speculate with your
credit investments they really doesn’t
cost you anything like people don’t buy
a house on a credit card don’t know and
they pay zero percent finance on it then
they’ve got an itemized bill of
everything they’ve done for the flaws
and [ __ ] and then bam they’re going to
pay off the thing once a month for
whatever through the rent payback or
whatever and this is right no no yeah
you know what it is a couple yards you
want to come for your yard
mortgage you put money down on it you
have to find a solicitor put your rights
through and then you’re going to pay
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40 grand up front you have to pay 42 43.
that’s how the [ __ ] system is
but yeah you have to start from
somewhere but i’m thankful for you know
my and and how it is but i’m just saying
you’re not my [ __ ] because i’m just i’m
just living at the moment
i’m teaching the kids mind that’s not
doing it because i i never got i was
thinking about doing a um online course
for kids who are off school like a
[ __ ] just a simple
little course you know
yeah for real you know
i’ll do that yeah
with that learning difficulties yeah
just normal just one more slow just like
even i could learn it like anyone could
learn and just you know start from the
times tables and then the abcs and just
do it slowly slowly slowly and just
swell you know easily you know i mean
you know even
history in there
yeah you know once
phil you know what me and you have been
both been through science and [ __ ]
double technology and then them classes
but
you don’t wish that
our father because the end of the day i
could have stayed on my engineering
apprenticeship if i wanted to i’m going
to do it yeah you could have a [ __ ]
corner i’m glad i didn’t know
because they said to me oh look in the
car park you see that knot you need to
go in with you
like that yeah i knew i tried to be a
raffle why am not here she’s only trying
to be a rapper once isn’t it
i didn’t make a lot of chats
huh i didn’t make it like i did try
harder i did all right i did better than
anyone else don’t ever give up yeah let
me say something to you you know what
you know what you just said something to
me yeah forget all this history and all
this because we were at school but we we
didn’t you know before can’t wait to
[ __ ] lesson finishes yeah real talk
yeah
let’s open somewhere we could [ __ ]
channel people
kids with [ __ ] problems yeah but
there’s no excuses because the internet
does provide a way to learn and if and
if a kid wants to know how to do
something they can’t find out if they
needed to say
but interacting with someone is
different yeah you’re all right getting
indie physically different
yeah it’s it’s a whole different right
we’ve got cool tables yeah we’ve got
this talk to us we can relate to them
you don’t have to fight him i’ve done it
look at these scores do you want to make
a [ __ ] um cic um community interest
company i don’t know about that but i’ll
pull with you yeah i don’t know we’ll do
that you know because you could be um a
mentor you could you know i’ve been
through that [ __ ]
i talked to him but i don’t want paid or
not and i’ll just do it for you guys
i’ll just do it for you
as long as as long as we’ve got respect
in the hood of course in the hood when
they when they pass by here they make
out yo this is phil’s wood
i’m definitely a guest in this hood man
because i’m not actually from this
foreign i haven’t been there 20 years
but to me that’s how mad i am you know
what i mean
i don’t know if you’re my god it’s my
hood then i’ve been jailed
off my nice play football as well for
the leagues and she just know nothing on
that because you play every team in
nottingham right now it’s beef they
haven’t ran into it
beef everywhere why is it beef
everywhere
remember you had a couple beefs down
here didn’t you what happened one of
these
on westwood remember you was it you or
yeah it was you in it so what happened
what did you [ __ ] someone up a couple of
times
oh you mean oh did you see that
cool man on westward yeah yeah what was
going off on that did i [ __ ] up on
this one i’m like i did you’ve been a
violent guy nice
i don’t know all i know is that when i
leave around here i’ll just put a rest
on because we’re done with it right it’s
the best thing because there’s people
from other areas coming by they’re
stabbing around a man sure really
investigating
i think it’s good to start the podcast
with an hour and 20 minutes thank you
for your time bro you know what i mean
and if you do want to be a co-host or if
you want to podcast anyone you can come
by and podcast with me for the time
what did that yeah i don’t know what was
wrong with her
and all these crowded people around her
whatever and she’s like then she stood
up like she’s all right
and she stumbled around a bit and it’s
like a [ __ ] sake i just thought it was
your drunk issue
she’s probably [ __ ] well yeah some
kind of truck she’s like some kind of
shout out to her yeah shout out to him
but she just [ __ ] kept walking around
in circles for [ __ ] like two and a
half hours i tried to get her a taxi
find her address oh there’s a [ __ ]
absolute nightmare anytime right now i
feel like that’s not obvious before i
seen you that’s what i was doing i’m
following this this this girl yeah she’s
getting things like this here
she was doing walking around town and
she just stopped
yeah she was [ __ ] md that me and she
was gonna up and reaching for stuff that
weren’t there and then and she stabbed
it up and uh you’re just a hard work she
was sat in the doorway for about half an
hour this is hard work because like i
don’t want to walk away and leave her
but i thought
why half step i’m not half stepper like
that in the end i had to [ __ ] leave
it because she kept turning around
sometimes you have to leave people after
five taxes bro i realized that she ain’t
even that [ __ ] she’s just being a
[ __ ] attention
[ __ ] me my left hand yeah shut up my
nerves are fortunate yeah yeah what what
so you can’t feel it at all i can’t feel
nothing to keep dropping things you know
really you’re not nervous no
dropped my flag chop my spiff a couple
of times he’s getting old as well when
mine isn’t as good as he used to be man
oh my god oh my god because your right
side of your head controls your left
side
down myself you know this man you know
he’s bastard yeah you just got to do
that and you just got to flex it every
day whatever you [ __ ] better you use
your left hand more than it that’s what
i would [ __ ] do
come on fine you know what i mean you
got to use it more
like you talking about it says that you
need to address it
i want to see you use it to fail well i
know that i’ve come back
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lobster and all that
salt fish and salt fish yeah [ __ ]
tilapia all types of fish all types of
fish
fish that taste like chicken broth when
you buy it it feels like chick that
bites oh different i’ve been dating
turkey yeah yeah i’ve been turkey three
times spain i only went to new mainland
spain spain was all right still i i
[ __ ] up in spain still because i had a
fight and i got locked up for three days
two days what was that about just just
just didn’t want to dance with a female
because i thought you know what my idea
would accuse you because you know it’s
the first time i went to maine that’s me
and i thought you know it didn’t matter
you’re trying to get you [ __ ] in that
you got me out dancing with her next to
me she’s making out oh i really yeah be
careful yeah yeah hey i didn’t know what
you to trust right now
[ __ ] his girls on top of him and um i
don’t know i just got arrested by the
time i got home and got nicked
what nick’s asked what’s he like at the
sales
[ __ ] eight man in one cell brother oh
[ __ ] you know how to speak sweater huh
they went to sleep no cushion well it’s
just just one bed in it i mean ever
however many man can get under one bed
in the [ ] you know the questions [ ]
all that just just open bars you get mad
there’s you you’re just in the basement
bro yeah that’s what
it is one yeah just like a little hole
you have to you have to sit down on the
floor and [ __ ] yeah like and like a walk
like a wall there or something something
you’re there for three days the two days
like a day like a day like a whole night
the next day in the evening i went to
court so basically a day i’m off i
wanted to say that there’s a court
translation i’m [ __ ] oh you know i
just got away didn’t it i’m never going
back to spain you’re my brother
i think i got a warrant on my name yeah
don’t name me
a few times but yeah
certain places do not get nicked in it
yeah
turkey i didn’t [ __ ] about you get me
that man will shoot you dead enough
with the buttons and [ __ ] buttons
they’ll put you in a field in that shoot
you didn’t make how you doing this and
that well
yeah that’s a funny thing that’s a funny
thing [ __ ] it actually i was just well i
was i’m glad to be back from [ __ ]
spain for that all right i’m going to
jamaica soon
yeah guys you’re making the characters
making
it to get there though it’s [ __ ]
miles away i don’t know but i need to
make a couple
me phil i’m not ma’am podcast man what’s
going on wake up yeah no yeah
welcome to the last online podcast let’s
get the questions now all right this is
this guy in the back of that’s called
jimmy
yeah he he he once came to me and said
oh i found
nine fingers
of [ __ ] that color same as that
cushion
yeah
you find
what basically nine of me in it
michaela michael yeah yeah yeah
nine of your skin colors yeah full ones
on the
i’ll tell you what you find on the minds
i don’t know where it saved you from
that but he said well yeah for you
though nothing for me i was like all
right so he said to you
innocent guy but you just you just
mentioned it while we were
and i just happened to mention it to my
my quite tall friend you know i mean
some moms like oh yeah
that thing is mine you know i was like
oh that was mine how does that guy know
where who he took it from he don’t know
does it so you could just lynch it off
and straight and say that’s mine
no no what happened so we went to the
guy’s yard to test it in we want to get
it and we went to the guys whoever it
was
and we’re there yeah going mad i came to
the door not nothing it was like a
little complex thing okay like that like
you coming to a little mini car park
and he was in his mum’s car when we went
around as well i didn’t know this so we
hopped i got to the guy’s flat yeah say
oh it’s me it’s me but the guys look for
the thing and seeing my man going no
[ __ ]
so what happened then tommy you got paid
i’m telling you no one got paid why
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one two three and then heard the thing
is they come in here they surround the
car party they’re surrounded the car
there’s no way out in this building yet
but
man it’s gone from a first story window
on the corridor and [ __ ] dropped it
you know i mean before they’ve got a
chance to surround the building he just
dropped it straight from the first win
the first floor bang must’ve been a long
drop but he’s so long wasn’t even longer
for it
you know what i mean by the time he’s
hung down and dropped it’s probably like
[ __ ] like seven foot for him to drop
a little bit for me yeah yeah yeah
long
i was left in the building i didn’t get
it it was just a [ __ ] it’s my fault
because it’s just he’s not like that
we’re all legitimate guys but he just
did it
and then we’re in the building and then
so i seen him in the car park pulling up
so i’m looking at the top so i’m going
to look at him coming in looking [ __ ]
where do i go
[ __ ] man even knows my name is where i
live everything they got it right on
that obviously on the door
i ran right right down to the very very
bottom stairs under the [ __ ]
stairwell and i seen a piece on his
[ __ ] foot you know me looking around
the corner
and he got shot back up done i got away
with the skin of my teeth [ __ ] pen
there no never
but then i had to reverse his mom’s car
yeah i could drive
i could not drive right now
he’s driving oh yeah i could drive now
but even then yeah even now i still get
bumpy driving this morning
it was brand new spanking [ __ ] thing
it looked [ __ ] amazing you know i
mean
just been washed and [ __ ] you know what
i mean and i’ve got a
the fez is actively on site bro you know
what i mean
and i swear though it was a [ __ ]
he gonna cross the road as well so i’m
just sat with this car that i don’t own
you know
i think you podcast still the other day
i’m bullied in that i see yeah i see you
please for this got someone got done
there was running
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someone stabbed up on that yeah oh
someone got ran over whatever i don’t
know i tried rude after
the barbershop is bleed yeah someone got
done there as well recently
you you i seen your podcast yeah yeah it
might have been that day though you know
yeah please stay pleased
it off and all that come on
i was only seeing because i just
happened to be on scene i didn’t get
called or let no one lets me know what’s
going on i ain’t really got one of their
phones at rings as you can see because
for this whole podcast
you know what i mean when you show me
the wounds you got i never imagined
you’ve been through that because i’ve
never imagined it i can’t change like
see like i’ve seen you before and after
another one
you know at one stage i used to be like
twelve tall stones
twelve stones like couple pounds and
that that’s your mental strength
obviously you’re strong with that drops
in your mental stuff this is amazing oh
i’m strong still i do i’m strong i’m not
i’m not that strong but you know i could
do 40 vessels 50 pesos i think that yes
i could do 50 percent same wow yeah but
obviously i’m smoking that i might be
lying but you know when you’re fighting
this different effects i mean you can
control your adrenaline you breathe
different you breathe out you know your
nose to get oxygen to your muscles for
the people that don’t know
end of the day it’s just a risk and it’s
like a thing that we like we
all right
it’s only gallium
you know
yeah podcast is a mad new thing because
it does really give people a chance to
sit in a room with you and it’s a
different vibe like you can feel your
vibe i’m sure you can feel the vibe
of the microphone because usually i’m a
strong presence you know i mean you know
you know i usually dominate people that
i sit around but you yeah i mean you’ve
got a strong energy manifest
i wonder y’all
i’m a baby man how old are you about 35
babies yeah man
i like you
now your brother is all your brother’s
[ __ ] no
i
me i’ve done so much since [ __ ]
school i did a lot at school as well
both schools
you know what i don’t feel
real talk yeah for you to say that i
need to think what i’m thinking oh i’ve
done so much here forget
more
yeah i’ve been through so much as well
but you know
i don’t remember that yeah i didn’t like
that no no i just wake up every day like
it’s fresh in it no it’s fresh yeah for
you yeah it’s just a blessing then you
[ __ ] look at your quest but like it’s
an effort to be like it’s not like it’s
not really like that i just say that i
wish i could go back to school i say
like it’s just a regime i say it is that
and then it is that and i say is that
your mentality is yeah this is a fresh
day in it bro so no matter what i feel
like right right no matter what you’re
like okay you’re talking village fees
military [ __ ] yeah so you could pump
something one minute next week you’re
waking up
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all of them guys are straight yeah
what’s the first thing they do when they
get pee
[ __ ] up not they go to casinos to
hookers or [ __ ] to dangerous things
with criminal sort of um
what type of people are today because i
i was doing this
i’ve seen money so they’ve done in the
past but i mean nowadays that’s what and
that’s what most people who have got
money they like to flaunt it and the
lights are you know what i mean to be in
the in crowd they’re like i’ve never
flaunted you ever no no no no you’re
getting the jewelry forget the jewelry
yeah you did yeah you did fly
the diamond
the diamond necklaces and braces it for
one time i received wearing them yeah
but usually you are very very modest
humble yeah man you’re humble yeah
yeah i got nothing yeah cool i haven’t
got enough of it yeah
to actually have practical experience
you need to have some credit work
history you know i mean i ain’t got no
work history to say oh yeah i can do
this job i’ve never worked tonight in
this dress this is a wait time to do it
for myself that’s what i’m going to try
and do to get off the door i’m going to
double in it yes
you know i mean effects
employment support
what’s wrong with that no nothing’s
wrong with it nothing’s wrong with it
there’s a lot wrong with it really
because you’re not paying your way in
society really i don’t really feel like
um i’m [ __ ] doing it with myself you
don’t know right so i think at least if
i do a podcast of me living this life is
i’m doing something while i’m living
this life and cause i do look for jobs
at the same time you know what i mean yo
you know what it’s it’s it’s it’s a nice
thing for you to say that you know
you’re looking for because you know you
know i don’t take it for granted you
know i mean i do like want to get off it
immediately you know i mean but i don’t
want to um put myself in a situation
where i get hurt all the people get hurt
or anything
i mean not like physically or anything
but i just mean like where they waste
money employing or training me off or
something if i can’t fulfill it at all
but what do you feel like you can do
this or hurt their pocket to give me the
chance do you know what i mean i want to
know that i’m a guarantee of [ __ ]
why’d you feel like you could do that
what do you feel like
that’s that’s a question so that’s a
good question that’s a [ __ ] good
question it’s a good spirit massive
it’s a bit looser
up on the side
did it didn’t give a [ __ ]
it’s like a bro
i wish i had that
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but you know what i’m straight off the
streets isn’t it you see me on the
streets now i’ll come
he’s like yeah let’s do it right now oh
all right now he’s like yeah let’s do it
right now it’s like all right cool
shout out to big jack
yeah man for real big jacking up shout
out to shout out to my big brother
daughter
for you brothers man
archer
all my nephews
all the brothers that are growing me
like grammy grinding on the streets
there’s nothing like that
yeah come on follow up on the podcast
yeah
the [ __ ] if you want to come tell your
story about a little craft story or a
little little story where you’ve changed
your life around like affairs and you
don’t do that [ __ ] anymore and you’re
like i’ve been good man yeah get your
gcses
and you got to still be here to tell the
story of you know that life and not be
in prison telling it or you know what i
mean all [ __ ] dead telling it
you can’t because
my brother my brother was going to blow
up on that prisoners are going to let
him in and and hear your story indeed if
you want but you know what he’s saying
don’t go to prison but i do challenge
you know what let me tell you something
you know what it’s real talk bro
from my real
you’ve got someone that’s younger than
you that’s hencher than you stronger
than you
uniforms yeah the guy like hedge six
foot five oh yeah he’s [ __ ] oh
i’m like oh you’re like me but i’ve
always been nicer because yeah
this is a nice light but you’re a
thankful friend
i’m such a nice guy
because these views
in it yeah kids out here you just don’t
want to go to jail man that’s a whole
different thing you’re cheating like a
dumb man people shaving you can’t even
shave them
let me take you over oh it’s hard in
there what in the finger i can’t shake
take a picture to take a picture of you
you have to look like that yeah because
all together yeah yeah i don’t want to
see you on your id card because you look
different
it’s not you you go through a whole
different
good point yes it’s in the original on
the original idea oh yeah
just don’t give a [ __ ] i got lost off a
manslaughter as well no joke i got
locked up from manslaughter
i had about 15 charges
he paid money he paid money and you got
certain things you know you have to pay
you have to pay you have to pay your way
you’ve got me because for me because i
don’t i couldn’t handle prison first
time i couldn’t do a free spirit
once thought were charges i’m looking
eight years seven years six years four
years and i [ __ ] did watching csi
[ __ ] 18 19. a man with 40 15 bigger
than me and i was [ __ ] i couldn’t eat
no smoking
[ __ ]
you have to wash your own box of shorts
because i didn’t know the regime had to
go to the gym to get to the laundry
function yeah
i didn’t want to drink the juice because
people told me i had to get you as well
everyone’s a man over there everyone
just wants to do the thing you get your
food no one talks about your football
food you gotta be all yeah yeah it’s a
different different juvenile detention
center
you don’t want to go there trust me what
the [ __ ] is this there’s just there’s a
bullying about the esso
how could you avoid it you can’t avoid
you know where to go like what the [ __ ]
is that you know you’ve got these
[ __ ] these
hardened criminals on your case i don’t
know how they were no they’re all good
in this door just do stupid [ __ ] i’m
just a sensible person i’m just sensible
you’re getting sensible as i can be
that’s why you’re
to you’re the only [ __ ] guy i could
think of like when i’ve seen you females
opportunity to see you you know i mean
you’re a rare guy to see you know i mean
like say you haven’t been running for so
long and even when you’re on the end you
just
you know i mean
i’m there but you know what i’m
thanks everyone for listening but you
know what i’ve got to get to bed because
my sleeping routine is terrible yeah we
of the law
as well no joke i got locked up from
manslaughter
i had about 15 charges
welcome to not start online podcast
you’re recording right now yeah we’re
recording right now bro bastard i’ve
seen
my guy around the corner him and his
brothers are thicker is a bit longer
than that
he’s going on a few years oh yeah yeah
but obviously
you know what he’s feeling before me you
know me you know my your you know my
oldest and that yeah you know
from the first time i met you in that my
old son
oh
um last time i almost heard from you you
had a bit of uh bits and bobs going off
uh he was quite heavily involved in the
game i heard that you’ve cleared up your
back now you’re not um no no no i’ve
done my thing both you know anyone
around ng2 you know
they know about his brother’s boy yeah i
do my thing i’ve been doing my thing for
a hot second or not but you know what it
is when i mean in the hot second decade
it’s not even like off okay but
you know i’ve not progressed in that but
you know sometimes
mind over matter really you can have pee
but you know like i said like i said to
you though you could have money you
could buy a bed but you [ __ ]
can’t get no sleep yeah no you could buy
a club yeah but you’re not getting time
or whatever the [ __ ] when everybody in
the morning
it’s a blessing to have so many women
around y’all
that are nice of you in that but you see
what it is like i said to you look up
you know i do my thing shout out to phil
you know sometimes you can sit somewhere
with no money yeah and getting cheated
like a king
about two things
but let me say a lot of muslims are nice
a lot of white people in the world yeah
yeah yeah yeah you know you know
i’m always promoting you know this guy’s
half asian brother
[Applause]
hey you see a lot of muslims like this
and like that when you get a lot of
white people like this and like that and
black people like oh you can’t
generalize you see what it is you have
to understand one thing yeah where we
come from
about it
good question
that’s a good question
yeah pick it there you go easy life or
something easy life for some people is
paying their bills and living comfy like
man like me i’ve never paid bills
mortgages yeah
asian yeah our asians work yeah yeah
that’s got so many answers
you know i mean because they had
children and everything i’ve got no kids
not this i just thought you know what
i’m going to hold back from that life
because it’s just a sacrifice [ __ ]
take mine if you want yeah
if you want you could i’m dead
enough of them the [ __ ] oh this is a
my oldest is seventies
unfortunately yeah yeah yeah yeah but
yeah she’s good now my oldest is
something and no i fought with him i
talked to him he’s all right you know i
mean and
my second is my daughter my third i got
another boy
it is what it is phil you know
you know what it is boys like i said to
you on the way down yeah boys when you
when you fall over you call for who your
mom yeah yeah
oh mama mama with the girls fall over
daddy
yeah i mean it is what it is but go back
so many hundreds of you know hundreds of
years
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people talk about slavery like oh this
and that and this and that but it’s like
modern day slavery is in britain
why not shot some jobs you’ll get them
cali
if not come
all in it that’s what i like about you
first man you’re always nice to everyone
you’re always you’re always cool man
yeah man you’re nice to me you know what
you know what the people saying my cool
shirt you’re gonna say another video
everyone likes i never knew i’m talking
[ __ ] about you from you know what i mean
i respect
a bit different yeah we’ve got we’ve got
we’ve got wound crime we’ve got knife
crime we’ve got we’ve got drug culture
but i think you know we don’t really
hear about murders we hear about a
little beef that’s called this stuff but
it’s it’s really human
this is a place where you can come
together
i don’t i don’t hold a grudge against
them do you know what i mean that hold a
grudge because they are aware because
i’m probably doing things wrong as well
it is as long as someone’s trying to
burn your hearts down
[ __ ] it breaking hearts is a part of the
game yeah as long as so much has to
ignite your [ __ ] ass and burn your
ass yeah yeah yeah you get me if they’ve
got a chest in the ove kingdom that’s
the kingdom but you know yeah yeah it is
what it is anyway yeah
it’s one minute it’s one man a bit he’s
like i’m sorry i am professional nothing
you paid though
i didn’t [ __ ] tonight
just by chance you know what i mean what
for the sex in it no not for the sex bro
you’re gonna leave disrespectful
people have yeah for real man
but they are evidence of
the fact that you know like the wives
are really [ __ ] good wives mind
they’re really [ __ ] really good
really like really like that called you
do you are just don’t give them kids is
that what it is
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what went wrong with england here was
when yeah the women got into feminists
and started burning bra started leaving
the ass not around for the kids the kids
didn’t get you know
holy play all right let me see let me
finish that situation how come there’s
no more churches left yeah i don’t know
this is more must than churches
because
there is no because
because there is no moderation
no there is
i mean the reason why i think that
australia is around
what you’re going to say what was it so
the church you’re losing for the
churches yeah disappearing and
everything in england yet it’s
unfortunately i believe because the
family unit was hurt you know what i
mean by the women going out to work and
stuff like that you know what i mean
women talking about women
right now i mean no no no no no because
the dad wants it that way because a dad
provides a woman loves her [ __ ]
husband and she wants every
high standard as possible well my
husband comes at him i want to be nice
and confident
it was like that it started changing you
know you know what i say to my oh shout
out
shout out to rage i’ll shout out to the
because you’ve done a lot of stuff i
know you’ve done high level stuff for a
long time i don’t know what we’re going
to go we’re going to go on another
podcast in the area yeah we’re gonna
pull up to people and let them see what
what their fault
i know i don’t know over the years i’ve
worn you down a bit and you thought you
know what it feels all right yeah
yeah we work together yeah you
you are what you want
yeah well it’s beautiful to be
[ __ ] alive and uh what happened
then when you got fingered then was it
dangerous what happened yeah you know
what it is there’s another no i’ve got
shank i’ve got something five times
people talk five times five times
[ __ ] home i’m so glad you’re alive
you know yeah i don’t know but you see
what it is
sometimes
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from that’s just head topped one more oh
i’ve gone yeah got a corn yeah it got
done two two caliber 20 22 you put it in
your cycling that but yeah yeah yeah
yeah
you’ve done enough to hit the boat in
the [ __ ]
up there i
you don’t like the same old guy like
from every day i’ve seen you very
consistently well i’ve been actually a
shout out to my
a lot of people [ __ ] about me
you know what it is
yeah but you see what it is
you see what it is
the reality is this might be true i
don’t even know it might be [ __ ] it
might hurt it though yeah it might be
shoe it might be false just did you just
say view in it but you see what it is
what i’ve noticed yeah is that when you
when when you look good on eid
you know what eid is it yeah christmas
you see not white my name don’t hate me
like that because when we go to westwood
road tomorrow and we’ve got 30 black
and a few other people patrick paddy
yeah
when i was a kid what’s that a knife
ruined again yeah i got shanked i got
sliced on my on my leg both legs
but it’s like it’s painful that one
doesn’t matter
yeah put your finger in here don’t
wonder man y’all put your finger in this
[ __ ]
come on
what’s the future saying for you then
bro what are you on this podcasting or
what don’t you want to like like borrow
my studio to do postcards with your
emails you know i need you to come with
me
with a video
let’s go
a lot of people not to do nowhere wrong
yeah
somebody knows them yeah and you’ve done
them wrong right words and then dave and
[ ] these are getting their [ ]
your mom’s tv as
things are going up like petrol i don’t
even drive dude i haven’t drive my butt
my mates have been having their bills go
up like five dollars a month extra
because they’re driving jobs because
they’re doing driving jobs so like you
pay your own wages
my left hand’s up because you know
headshot mode really can’t feel it what
can
inflation everything’s going up yeah
they’re saying england’s going to be
fought the same the titans have turned
in it obviously america’s falling on it
you know i mean like the the story the
prophecy is coming true in it yeah
prophecy i said that yeah yeah
everything you do you feel quite living
two kingdoms
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but you know what i will flex on your
[ __ ] arshia and go to florida but
you’re almost covered in divers
you come back you fall this is my
t-shirt by the way buy it or not start
online forward slash nft get yourself a
robin hood t-shirt what is that yours
yeah shout out where’s mine there yeah
i’ll go for it no they said i swear
i know him he’s like oh what the [ __ ]
he’s doing you don’t have to come off
that back right now i’m saying yeah yeah
right now i didn’t ruin you over on it i
see your face on it and he gave me
around another guy
i just know about myself and i can watch
myself i don’t know about it i’m feeling
as well i love good things you’ve got
five [ __ ] around him i can’t vouch
for him
yeah i’m saying that a lot of people go
through my [ __ ] in life yeah i’ve never
done hard drugs like that yet but i know
that sometimes yeah they might have been
tricked into the right man you know how
that man’s life how it came about you
know i mean you just don’t know
but there’s no excuses for it like you
say but you know i never judge a man but
i’ve got no addictions live but you know
what some things are difficult
what your addiction isn’t it sometimes
it’s something madness that’s not
nothing to do with drugs you put it to
the lifestyle some people are dangerous
to drugs some people are addicted to
gambling some people are addicted to
making money yeah some people are
addicted to [ __ ] yeah some people you
know
shout out to get to me once in a pub
yeah are you going to see this yo he
said to me you said you could you okay
listen to me you could you could trust
someone with with with your drugs but
you can’t trust him with your money i’ve
given him this much and i tested him and
he it’s a point [ __ ] fall down he’s
lifting you know you can all we in the
lifestyle we’ve lived and the age we are
we we
clever enough to enjoy yeah of course
yeah because people have been there and
done it themselves aren’t there so we
know what’s going on
just like our parents you say to us
don’t do this you know what tomorrow
you’re gonna and it’s true tomorrow we
see it hard so now we’re gonna do our
gamble now we have to make any means
necessary to [ __ ] so but you
know it is yeah i’m thankful to my
parents and i’m thankful to
the
fat food to england
yeah what the [ __ ] with that free nhs
free like i said before yeah
all right it is what it is it’s what
you’re making
i’ve given
i’ve not been that successful i’ve not
really been involved in crime like
heavily that much that’s all really i’m
it’s just mental health it’s just so
hard sometimes people you know i mean
because it’s stupid and you’ve childish
or it’s just like you need to grow up i
need to grow up or whatever it’s like i
don’t want to throw my life away or
anyone’s hurt anyone or anything what
you know because the end of the day
anger does wear off if you can find
something to to
channel it or waits or something or
something
yeah
it’s really really ticked all my boxes
really but sometimes yeah
i’m the worst guy to ask questions but i
can’t back out about me i’ll tell you
whatever you want but not about shout
out to my own podcast because i feel
soon yeah because you don’t want to
answer questions though not about other
people
i don’t know
i caught me off with a fallout what is
she what is [ __ ] is she human but she’s
not eating this [ __ ]
right i’ve not really hit my target yeah
i’m not really hitting no marks yet i’ve
always been part of all people’s lives
if you’re not i mean like sometimes i
think that’s a new one on my own so i
know ain’t going to go nowhere because
you’re watching the channel
though so she doesn’t need to move in
she doesn’t think that come on you know
you do your thing i need to get a
[ __ ] job one or something or do
something with my life i mean like this
podcasting it’s all right and everything
but
trying knowing it i’m trying i’m trying
my life i’m not really trying i’m not
really trying i’m just podcasting is
like this much in my my whole week in it
i’m just [ __ ] yeah i wake up in the
morning like you said i’m going to do a
podcast i don’t want to
edit it tomorrow night let’s let’s let’s
travel isn’t it that’s cool that’s good
places
multicultural team people if you’re busy
you said you put your gloves up man you
put them off again
you know you’ve got to deliver something
to society what do they want come with
us
we’ll show you the date every podcast so
yeah we’re linking up this place blah
blah blah call with us
can we [ __ ] get in peru i’ll be
anywhere with you
the next podcast rap
if i’m not in them
i want criminal stories and [ __ ] people
that wanted people want to hear because
we were a bit cagey
we got a couple people yeah you know i
don’t know
how people were really
you know too heavy man i don’t know
i’m on my own with cameras and mics and
uh in dangerous places where people are
making real money and i mean they just
don’t want to see me doing that it’s a
bit i wouldn’t want to see it i’d kick
him off the block i’d be like oh maybe
that’s what they say i feel they know
you enough but you know what it is they
don’t want to get the last one they were
nice to me but really truthfully i mind
my business that’s why they’re nice
changing about what i’m saying needs to
do end of the day
any money i can do anything like that
man
any man can do anything
give up on me
to my brother’s
oh my god dog needs to come and see me
because i’m full he used to reward him
you know
how quick you know you [ __ ] hear me
i don’t want to be a player kid i don’t
know [ __ ] put bets on that make sure
that bastard [ __ ] wins
quicker the worst thing i’ve ever done
gambling not horses and sports is long
drawn up no ari puffs yeah and what the
[ __ ] got certain horses on bastards i
yeah
i didn’t know a couple hours back in the
day when i was about 20. i’m talking
about saudi arabia yeah they’re popping
ones yeah pop ones yeah yeah yeah
probably own horses
yeah 50 million for a horse no one got a
jaguar gold jacket i wouldn’t look gold
it’s like gold colored jack top of the
range uh for his 21st birthday was
rolling down hockey yeah drunk about
three in the morning with him he was
like that [ __ ] i was like because
obviously he’s younger than usual yeah
big people yeah he like scraped down
somebody’s like oh well you know what i
mean you should i just thought i’m
getting out this guy this guy’s mad like
they’re mad they’ve got big people
yeah you’re going to tell me tomorrow
are you chatting [ __ ] to me
but why not that we should be grateful
because another day not income is the
sort of place where it’s invested
they’ve invested in that seat i’m
grateful for him to be here
that’s a lot of money getting splashed
around and not in a minute i know he’s
creating a lot of inflation with the
house price and stuff like that and
renting and stuff like but end of the
day that’s a lot of people getting paid
if it’s coming to nottingham i’m happy
one
for that a little bit because i’m really
normal
generation even saying that it’s
anything
yeah but i don’t want zeppelin
so what you see normal the point is
yeah the normal night
you know you know generational money is
beautiful yeah and you’ve got 100
million you know you could put 50
million under your mattress buy 20 cars
100 200 thousand pounds worth of jewelry
buy your baby between my baby with
buying [ ] asses i still got [ ]
so many millions yeah but you’ve only
got one move yeah between five brothers
yeah i know you’re [ __ ]
you get 15 family members yeah
yeah yeah oh you got two movies
yeah yeah yeah yeah birthdays come every
year [ __ ] christmas comes easter
comes [ ] everything comes [ ]
happy bunny [ ] [ ] you name it
fourth of july [ __ ] it up well there’s
no rest for the best
once around here check it i had 30
people against me
all these like yeah
40 of them yeah yeah yeah yeah
yeah
big old school business
you know
again yeah what all these my comments no
i don’t say that
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with him and stuff like that and every
single day i see him and we talk holy
stuff
he talks on the heart bro
that’s how i remember i don’t know from
nothing nobody knows that i’ve never
seen him back to anybody so you might
know the old one under the new one
that’s why i can’t have that talk yeah
like i said before 99 of the time your
own people take you out you know you’re
talking about them yo this is the papers
bro
real talk for tv yeah
let the people know what the truth is
i
but i’ve got love for everyone yeah i’m
with you in it because of you i should
love to have you all right
if it weren’t for you if i had anything
no one knows
my recordings
but not everyone’s like sometimes they
get offended very easily no i can sit
with you comfortably that’s why i know
you’re sick i can sit with you i can sit
with you
um so if you’re gonna give someone
someone after being shanked five times
yeah i’m getting ahead for my podcast
what advice would you give me yo don’t
do no [ ] up [ ] you know just you
know it’s people out there that are uh
stronger than me bigger than me better
than me of course you know a lot of
people of course look in person you’re
in person
i
i was away for the half of the second
year whatever it was i was there i was
only there for like two years and i must
have missed half the year like 50
attendance yeah and they’re not going to
stop me from doing that that’s how i’m
at isn’t it i had discipline yeah you
wish you could go back to school
no no
i wish i could go back to it you know so
you got regret i forgot to get his head
up a bit more regret is it yeah
don’t know the work environment for it i
just know that
it’s just nice to
know what it is my nephews are doing it
my kids are doing it yeah yeah i’m just
going to maintain what the [ __ ] got for
mortgages yeah of course you are going
to maintain nothing
yeah questions
yeah
i want i want to keep charity the way
you travel
straight yeah
real talk for tv there’s [ __ ] you
think for us is taking me somewhere
equity is not equity gets run out now
it’s 2022. shout out to the people
trying to make it 200 300 400 bucks
[ __ ] bro real talk might be anything
to ask about me but it ain’t nothing the
government the system how it works right
now you’re going to be it’s different
but i want to leave a couple houses for
my kids yeah i want to be different yeah
yeah that’s nice if you’ve done that
that is amazing
yeah
like good credit and a job and all that
sort of stuff man i think that’s the
only way in life that you can do it
manifest you know i mean
plastic
is not good money but it is like good
money because if you speculate with your
credit investments they really doesn’t
cost you anything like people don’t buy
a house on a credit card don’t know and
they pay zero percent finance on it then
they’ve got an itemized bill of
everything they’ve done for the flaws
and [ __ ] and then bam they’re going to
pay off the thing once a month for
whatever through the rent payback or
whatever and this is right no no yeah
you know what it is a couple yards you
want to come for your yard
mortgage you put money down on it you
have to find a solicitor put your rights
through and then you’re going to pay
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40 grand up front you have to pay 42 43.
that’s how the [ __ ] system is
but yeah you have to start from
somewhere but i’m thankful for you know
my and and how it is but i’m just saying
you’re not my [ __ ] because i’m just i’m
just living at the moment
i’m teaching the kids mind that’s not
doing it because i i never got i was
thinking about doing a um online course
for kids who are off school like a
[ __ ] just a simple
little course you know
yeah for real you know
i’ll do that yeah
with that learning difficulties yeah
just normal just one more slow just like
even i could learn it like anyone could
learn and just you know start from the
times tables and then the abcs and just
do it slowly slowly slowly and just
swell you know easily you know i mean
you know even
history in there
yeah you know once
phil you know what me and you have been
both been through science and [ __ ]
double technology and then them classes
but
you don’t wish that
our father because the end of the day i
could have stayed on my engineering
apprenticeship if i wanted to i’m going
to do it yeah you could have a [ __ ]
corner i’m glad i didn’t know
because they said to me oh look in the
car park you see that knot you need to
go in with you
like that yeah i knew i tried to be a
raffle why am not here she’s only trying
to be a rapper once isn’t it
i didn’t make a lot of chats
huh i didn’t make it like i did try
harder i did all right i did better than
anyone else don’t ever give up yeah let
me say something to you you know what
you know what you just said something to
me yeah forget all this history and all
this because we were at school but we we
didn’t you know before can’t wait to
[ __ ] lesson finishes yeah real talk
yeah
let’s open somewhere we could [ __ ]
channel people
kids with [ __ ] problems yeah but
there’s no excuses because the internet
does provide a way to learn and if and
if a kid wants to know how to do
something they can’t find out if they
needed to say
but interacting with someone is
different yeah you’re all right getting
indie physically different
yeah it’s it’s a whole different right
we’ve got cool tables yeah we’ve got
this talk to us we can relate to them
you don’t have to fight him i’ve done it
look at these scores do you want to make
a [ __ ] um cic um community interest
company i don’t know about that but i’ll
pull with you yeah i don’t know we’ll do
that you know because you could be um a
mentor you could you know i’ve been
through that [ __ ]
i talked to him but i don’t want paid or
not and i’ll just do it for you guys
i’ll just do it for you
as long as as long as we’ve got respect
in the hood of course in the hood when
they when they pass by here they make
out yo this is phil’s wood
i’m definitely a guest in this hood man
because i’m not actually from this
foreign i haven’t been there 20 years
but to me that’s how mad i am you know
what i mean
i don’t know if you’re my god it’s my
hood then i’ve been jailed
off my nice play football as well for
the leagues and she just know nothing on
that because you play every team in
nottingham right now it’s beef they
haven’t ran into it
beef everywhere why is it beef
everywhere
remember you had a couple beefs down
here didn’t you what happened one of
these
on westwood remember you was it you or
yeah it was you in it so what happened
what did you [ __ ] someone up a couple of
times
oh you mean oh did you see that
cool man on westward yeah yeah what was
going off on that did i [ __ ] up on
this one i’m like i did you’ve been a
violent guy nice
i don’t know all i know is that when i
leave around here i’ll just put a rest
on because we’re done with it right it’s
the best thing because there’s people
from other areas coming by they’re
stabbing around a man sure really
investigating
i think it’s good to start the podcast
with an hour and 20 minutes thank you
for your time bro you know what i mean
and if you do want to be a co-host or if
you want to podcast anyone you can come
by and podcast with me for the time
what did that yeah i don’t know what was
wrong with her
and all these crowded people around her
whatever and she’s like then she stood
up like she’s all right
and she stumbled around a bit and it’s
like a [ __ ] sake i just thought it was
your drunk issue
she’s probably [ __ ] well yeah some
kind of truck she’s like some kind of
shout out to her yeah shout out to him
but she just [ __ ] kept walking around
in circles for [ __ ] like two and a
half hours i tried to get her a taxi
find her address oh there’s a [ __ ]
absolute nightmare anytime right now i
feel like that’s not obvious before i
seen you that’s what i was doing i’m
following this this this girl yeah she’s
getting things like this here
she was doing walking around town and
she just stopped
yeah she was [ __ ] md that me and she
was gonna up and reaching for stuff that
weren’t there and then and she stabbed
it up and uh you’re just a hard work she
was sat in the doorway for about half an
hour this is hard work because like i
don’t want to walk away and leave her
but i thought
why half step i’m not half stepper like
that in the end i had to [ __ ] leave
it because she kept turning around
sometimes you have to leave people after
five taxes bro i realized that she ain’t
even that [ __ ] she’s just being a
[ __ ] attention
[ __ ] me my left hand yeah shut up my
nerves are fortunate yeah yeah what what
so you can’t feel it at all i can’t feel
nothing to keep dropping things you know
really you’re not nervous no
dropped my flag chop my spiff a couple
of times he’s getting old as well when
mine isn’t as good as he used to be man
oh my god oh my god because your right
side of your head controls your left
side
down myself you know this man you know
he’s bastard yeah you just got to do
that and you just got to flex it every
day whatever you [ __ ] better you use
your left hand more than it that’s what
i would [ __ ] do
come on fine you know what i mean you
got to use it more
like you talking about it says that you
need to address it
i want to see you use it to fail well i
know that i’ve come back
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lobster and all that
salt fish and salt fish yeah [ __ ]
tilapia all types of fish all types of
fish
fish that taste like chicken broth when
you buy it it feels like chick that
bites oh different i’ve been dating
turkey yeah yeah i’ve been turkey three
times spain i only went to new mainland
spain spain was all right still i i
[ __ ] up in spain still because i had a
fight and i got locked up for three days
two days what was that about just just
just didn’t want to dance with a female
because i thought you know what my idea
would accuse you because you know it’s
the first time i went to maine that’s me
and i thought you know it didn’t matter
you’re trying to get you [ __ ] in that
you got me out dancing with her next to
me she’s making out oh i really yeah be
careful yeah yeah hey i didn’t know what
you to trust right now
[ __ ] his girls on top of him and um i
don’t know i just got arrested by the
time i got home and got nicked
what nick’s asked what’s he like at the
sales
[ __ ] eight man in one cell brother oh
[ __ ] you know how to speak sweater huh
they went to sleep no cushion well it’s
just just one bed in it i mean ever
however many man can get under one bed
in the [ ] you know the questions [ ]
all that just just open bars you get mad
there’s you you’re just in the basement
bro yeah that’s what
it is one yeah just like a little hole
you have to you have to sit down on the
floor and [ __ ] yeah like and like a walk
like a wall there or something something
you’re there for three days the two days
like a day like a day like a whole night
the next day in the evening i went to
court so basically a day i’m off i
wanted to say that there’s a court
translation i’m [ __ ] oh you know i
just got away didn’t it i’m never going
back to spain you’re my brother
i think i got a warrant on my name yeah
don’t name me
a few times but yeah
certain places do not get nicked in it
yeah
turkey i didn’t [ __ ] about you get me
that man will shoot you dead enough
with the buttons and [ __ ] buttons
they’ll put you in a field in that shoot
you didn’t make how you doing this and
that well
yeah that’s a funny thing that’s a funny
thing [ __ ] it actually i was just well i
was i’m glad to be back from [ __ ]
spain for that all right i’m going to
jamaica soon
yeah guys you’re making the characters
making
it to get there though it’s [ __ ]
miles away i don’t know but i need to
make a couple
me phil i’m not ma’am podcast man what’s
going on wake up yeah no yeah
welcome to the last online podcast let’s
get the questions now all right this is
this guy in the back of that’s called
jimmy
yeah he he he once came to me and said
oh i found
nine fingers
of [ __ ] that color same as that
cushion
yeah
you find
what basically nine of me in it
michaela michael yeah yeah yeah
nine of your skin colors yeah full ones
on the
i’ll tell you what you find on the minds
i don’t know where it saved you from
that but he said well yeah for you
though nothing for me i was like all
right so he said to you
innocent guy but you just you just
mentioned it while we were
and i just happened to mention it to my
my quite tall friend you know i mean
some moms like oh yeah
that thing is mine you know i was like
oh that was mine how does that guy know
where who he took it from he don’t know
does it so you could just lynch it off
and straight and say that’s mine
no no what happened so we went to the
guy’s yard to test it in we want to get
it and we went to the guys whoever it
was
and we’re there yeah going mad i came to
the door not nothing it was like a
little complex thing okay like that like
you coming to a little mini car park
and he was in his mum’s car when we went
around as well i didn’t know this so we
hopped i got to the guy’s flat yeah say
oh it’s me it’s me but the guys look for
the thing and seeing my man going no
[ __ ]
so what happened then tommy you got paid
i’m telling you no one got paid why
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one two three and then heard the thing
is they come in here they surround the
car party they’re surrounded the car
there’s no way out in this building yet
but
man it’s gone from a first story window
on the corridor and [ __ ] dropped it
you know i mean before they’ve got a
chance to surround the building he just
dropped it straight from the first win
the first floor bang must’ve been a long
drop but he’s so long wasn’t even longer
for it
you know what i mean by the time he’s
hung down and dropped it’s probably like
[ __ ] like seven foot for him to drop
a little bit for me yeah yeah yeah
long
i was left in the building i didn’t get
it it was just a [ __ ] it’s my fault
because it’s just he’s not like that
we’re all legitimate guys but he just
did it
and then we’re in the building and then
so i seen him in the car park pulling up
so i’m looking at the top so i’m going
to look at him coming in looking [ __ ]
where do i go
[ __ ] man even knows my name is where i
live everything they got it right on
that obviously on the door
i ran right right down to the very very
bottom stairs under the [ __ ]
stairwell and i seen a piece on his
[ __ ] foot you know me looking around
the corner
and he got shot back up done i got away
with the skin of my teeth [ __ ] pen
there no never
but then i had to reverse his mom’s car
yeah i could drive
i could not drive right now
he’s driving oh yeah i could drive now
but even then yeah even now i still get
bumpy driving this morning
it was brand new spanking [ __ ] thing
it looked [ __ ] amazing you know i
mean
just been washed and [ __ ] you know what
i mean and i’ve got a
the fez is actively on site bro you know
what i mean
and i swear though it was a [ __ ]
he gonna cross the road as well so i’m
just sat with this car that i don’t own
you know
i think you podcast still the other day
i’m bullied in that i see yeah i see you
please for this got someone got done
there was running
[Music]
someone stabbed up on that yeah oh
someone got ran over whatever i don’t
know i tried rude after
the barbershop is bleed yeah someone got
done there as well recently
you you i seen your podcast yeah yeah it
might have been that day though you know
yeah please stay pleased
it off and all that come on
i was only seeing because i just
happened to be on scene i didn’t get
called or let no one lets me know what’s
going on i ain’t really got one of their
phones at rings as you can see because
for this whole podcast
you know what i mean when you show me
the wounds you got i never imagined
you’ve been through that because i’ve
never imagined it i can’t change like
see like i’ve seen you before and after
another one
you know at one stage i used to be like
twelve tall stones
twelve stones like couple pounds and
that that’s your mental strength
obviously you’re strong with that drops
in your mental stuff this is amazing oh
i’m strong still i do i’m strong i’m not
i’m not that strong but you know i could
do 40 vessels 50 pesos i think that yes
i could do 50 percent same wow yeah but
obviously i’m smoking that i might be
lying but you know when you’re fighting
this different effects i mean you can
control your adrenaline you breathe
different you breathe out you know your
nose to get oxygen to your muscles for
the people that don’t know
end of the day it’s just a risk and it’s
like a thing that we like we
all right
it’s only gallium
you know
yeah podcast is a mad new thing because
it does really give people a chance to
sit in a room with you and it’s a
different vibe like you can feel your
vibe i’m sure you can feel the vibe
of the microphone because usually i’m a
strong presence you know i mean you know
you know i usually dominate people that
i sit around but you yeah i mean you’ve
got a strong energy manifest
i wonder y’all
i’m a baby man how old are you about 35
babies yeah man
i like you
now your brother is all your brother’s
[ __ ] no
i
me i’ve done so much since [ __ ]
school i did a lot at school as well
both schools
you know what i don’t feel
real talk yeah for you to say that i
need to think what i’m thinking oh i’ve
done so much here forget
more
yeah i’ve been through so much as well
but you know
i don’t remember that yeah i didn’t like
that no no i just wake up every day like
it’s fresh in it no it’s fresh yeah for
you yeah it’s just a blessing then you
[ __ ] look at your quest but like it’s
an effort to be like it’s not like it’s
not really like that i just say that i
wish i could go back to school i say
like it’s just a regime i say it is that
and then it is that and i say is that
your mentality is yeah this is a fresh
day in it bro so no matter what i feel
like right right no matter what you’re
like okay you’re talking village fees
military [ __ ] yeah so you could pump
something one minute next week you’re
waking up
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all of them guys are straight yeah
what’s the first thing they do when they
get pee
[ __ ] up not they go to casinos to
hookers or [ __ ] to dangerous things
with criminal sort of um
what type of people are today because i
i was doing this
i’ve seen money so they’ve done in the
past but i mean nowadays that’s what and
that’s what most people who have got
money they like to flaunt it and the
lights are you know what i mean to be in
the in crowd they’re like i’ve never
flaunted you ever no no no no you’re
getting the jewelry forget the jewelry
yeah you did yeah you did fly
the diamond
the diamond necklaces and braces it for
one time i received wearing them yeah
but usually you are very very modest
humble yeah man you’re humble yeah
yeah i got nothing yeah cool i haven’t
got enough of it yeah
to actually have practical experience
you need to have some credit work
history you know i mean i ain’t got no
work history to say oh yeah i can do
this job i’ve never worked tonight in
this dress this is a wait time to do it
for myself that’s what i’m going to try
and do to get off the door i’m going to
double in it yes
you know i mean effects
employment support
what’s wrong with that no nothing’s
wrong with it nothing’s wrong with it
there’s a lot wrong with it really
because you’re not paying your way in
society really i don’t really feel like
um i’m [ __ ] doing it with myself you
don’t know right so i think at least if
i do a podcast of me living this life is
i’m doing something while i’m living
this life and cause i do look for jobs
at the same time you know what i mean yo
you know what it’s it’s it’s it’s a nice
thing for you to say that you know
you’re looking for because you know you
know i don’t take it for granted you
know i mean i do like want to get off it
immediately you know i mean but i don’t
want to um put myself in a situation
where i get hurt all the people get hurt
or anything
i mean not like physically or anything
but i just mean like where they waste
money employing or training me off or
something if i can’t fulfill it at all
but what do you feel like you can do
this or hurt their pocket to give me the
chance do you know what i mean i want to
know that i’m a guarantee of [ __ ]
why’d you feel like you could do that
what do you feel like
that’s that’s a question so that’s a
good question that’s a [ __ ] good
question it’s a good spirit massive
it’s a bit looser
up on the side
did it didn’t give a [ __ ]
it’s like a bro
i wish i had that
[Music]
but you know what i’m straight off the
streets isn’t it you see me on the
streets now i’ll come
he’s like yeah let’s do it right now oh
all right now he’s like yeah let’s do it
right now it’s like all right cool
shout out to big jack
yeah man for real big jacking up shout
out to shout out to my big brother
daughter
for you brothers man
archer
all my nephews
all the brothers that are growing me
like grammy grinding on the streets
there’s nothing like that
yeah come on follow up on the podcast
yeah
the [ __ ] if you want to come tell your
story about a little craft story or a
little little story where you’ve changed
your life around like affairs and you
don’t do that [ __ ] anymore and you’re
like i’ve been good man yeah get your
gcses
and you got to still be here to tell the
story of you know that life and not be
in prison telling it or you know what i
mean all [ __ ] dead telling it
you can’t because
my brother my brother was going to blow
up on that prisoners are going to let
him in and and hear your story indeed if
you want but you know what he’s saying
don’t go to prison but i do challenge
you know what let me tell you something
you know what it’s real talk bro
from my real
you’ve got someone that’s younger than
you that’s hencher than you stronger
than you
uniforms yeah the guy like hedge six
foot five oh yeah he’s [ __ ] oh
i’m like oh you’re like me but i’ve
always been nicer because yeah
this is a nice light but you’re a
thankful friend
i’m such a nice guy
because these views
in it yeah kids out here you just don’t
want to go to jail man that’s a whole
different thing you’re cheating like a
dumb man people shaving you can’t even
shave them
let me take you over oh it’s hard in
there what in the finger i can’t shake
take a picture to take a picture of you
you have to look like that yeah because
all together yeah yeah i don’t want to
see you on your id card because you look
different
it’s not you you go through a whole
different
good point yes it’s in the original on
the original idea oh yeah
just don’t give a [ __ ] i got lost off a
manslaughter as well no joke i got
locked up from manslaughter
i had about 15 charges
he paid money he paid money and you got
certain things you know you have to pay
you have to pay you have to pay your way
you’ve got me because for me because i
don’t i couldn’t handle prison first
time i couldn’t do a free spirit
once thought were charges i’m looking
eight years seven years six years four
years and i [ __ ] did watching csi
[ __ ] 18 19. a man with 40 15 bigger
than me and i was [ __ ] i couldn’t eat
no smoking
[ __ ]
you have to wash your own box of shorts
because i didn’t know the regime had to
go to the gym to get to the laundry
function yeah
i didn’t want to drink the juice because
people told me i had to get you as well
everyone’s a man over there everyone
just wants to do the thing you get your
food no one talks about your football
food you gotta be all yeah yeah it’s a
different different juvenile detention
center
you don’t want to go there trust me what
the [ __ ] is this there’s just there’s a
bullying about the esso
how could you avoid it you can’t avoid
you know where to go like what the [ __ ]
is that you know you’ve got these
[ __ ] these
hardened criminals on your case i don’t
know how they were no they’re all good
in this door just do stupid [ __ ] i’m
just a sensible person i’m just sensible
you’re getting sensible as i can be
that’s why you’re
to you’re the only [ __ ] guy i could
think of like when i’ve seen you females
opportunity to see you you know i mean
you’re a rare guy to see you know i mean
like say you haven’t been running for so
long and even when you’re on the end you
just
you know i mean
i’m there but you know what i’m
thanks everyone for listening but you
know what i’ve got to get to bed because
my sleeping routine is terrible yeah we
could we could do that after we pulled
up yes
we can
could we could do that after we pulled
up yes
we can
UK Gangster Podcast Cartel Boss David Gunn
[Music] i think for three years kate for four years so i’ve done every top security every special unit everyone in the country i’ve done absolutely every every one of them and you know violence on all of them robert moore’s laid down by kenny noye catwalk kev kevlame curtis warren all of them killed someone with a single punch at outside boots in nottingham city centre what three and a half years for that for a manslaughter [Music] it’s not a murder mate let me beat him so i bit his eyelids off and his lips off and swallowed him but that that’s what i had to do because he’s caught my daughter’s eyes i thought i’m going to score you for life me [Music] i used to have one of those koshers up my sleeve with gassing who said hell this who are you gassing i’m putting back on the sleeve [Music] i’ll have to find out who’s done it tech them round weigh them in get the people to tread on the reds and all that or smash their hands in with hammers and that’s the sort of thing that went off [Music] because was all iris catesy so you’re strapped up in pursuits and with prisoner on the back and there’s helicopters cars guns all around the courts guns are drawn if they’d have found you guilty how much time would you got i died in prison i did my brother got a 35 out of got the same today we have got a massive story loads of viewers have requested this one over the years and if you have seen any of the news stories about the best wood cartel and the gun brothers then this is the one you’ve been waiting for but the thing is a lot of journalists authors click baiters have run with this and there’s all kinds of myths exaggerated stories and dave gunn is going to put those to rest today when he tells his story and his brother is serving 36 35 35 35 rape life yeah and and and dave himself has done over 20 years i’ve done about 23 yeah i’ve done i’ve done 11 out of the last 15 it’s just for nonsense mate but johnny good of you is just the idea of the prisons you’ve been for um on the last sentence i did i was iris kate for three years cutting for four years so i’ve done every top security every special unit everyone in the country i’ve done absolutely every every one of them and you know violence on all of them with staff and you know but it make up for the man that’s why i say he’s and you just have to roll with it but some bad times some good times some good people in there but i’ve actually done lots and lots of different jails and 16 on remand which has caused so they can upset you your routine and then it takes three months for your paperwork to follow you so you can’t study your murder cases because they’ve got it for three months then it follows you it lands on you they move you again and again and again and it’s just non-stop and who are some of the more well-known characters you’ve served time with i’ve done it i’ve been on the special unit with charlie robert mosley done by mckennie noye catwalk kev kevlain curtis warren all of them everybody all the top security leads and your brother then um colin he’s been cat aid for how many years collins now is still high-risk catty but he’s been is the longest one in british history he’s been doing it for 17 years now and he’s been exceptional three times as well uh where you get removed to the unit on ten-man unlock at belmarsh and um it’s just you’re out on your own there was just even bieber and curtis there at one stage but yeah he’s been high risk cutting for 17 years he’s trying to come off it but not much hope of it with the way the police are going on and everything and the silliness they say all right before we get to all that then let’s just go back to you guys growing up what was that like yeah we had rough times you know with single parents and never really had much very clean but my mom had to work every hour god sent just to feeders and everything so you start to thieving and and trying to earn money for the family and you know you’re doing all that to look after the family but growing up it was a it was a good time brilliant but got very handy with the fists and you know just throw your weight about and as children but as you grow up and get older you want bigger and better things don’t you so you just progress into you go from from burglaries robbing robbing garages and things like that and then finally you’re into drugs and that’s where that’s where the money was at the time what about the rave scene did that chill you’re right the 18 were brilliant yeah it was brilliant what was your first race because we came down to we didn’t get down to nottingham we went to birmingham rag market we went to coventry the eclipse yeah stoke and sheffield they had them all up there and they had the first massive one was that 25 000 people won at fantasia at castle i was a brilliant rape when spoonie and top buzz and all that was on yeah brilliant rave absolutely the flyers for all they’re from 89 90 and then the cops seized them and used them as evidence again did they yeah bastards yeah so what was it like taking ecstasy for you and i’ve never really bothered with drugs you know in in them days i mean before obviously it was called ease then it was then white and white was called yeah and and there was all selling there’s one for 25 quid a pill and i said to our kid let’s get into this mate what’s going on how come these wankers are getting all the dope yeah but so obviously you try and you try your own you’re only young 19 and 20 but you get knocked back and that you get a bit angry and but it was great there was good buzz though it was a good buzz he had a good time on him because a lot of like the violence like reduced because liverpool versus manchester they were scared for each other’s cities so animate them both but then they get under ease and they’re all hugging and kissing you you can eat you can eat them one minute and half hour later you’ll be sticking lips on them mental so school then for you what was that like school was good school was great you know no exams are nothing i just dropped out of everything just just just doing my own thing and i was working in old people zones and all that as a child but after school that’s when it all started you’re fighting and meet fighting other gangs and you know you know as children that’s what you did but school was good we had a good a proper good upbringing and my man my mom was busy crackers when the copper’s ready for us she’d be eating them with shoes and also [Laughter] 98 00:06:37,918 –> 00:06:41,279 [Laughter] yeah you said it was gangs what were the games back then well there was there was a best woodlot you know it was known as the best for us there’s only 15 and 16 it’s you know tosses really but you you think the big men don’t get that then he was fighting edwards lane arnold you’re just going around all different schools fighting them just to sit just to show you’re the cop of the schools in that you know that’s how it was and what were you on a path for you were never going to have a straight career well i did i worked i worked for the council as a gardener then i set my own car business up but you you’re constantly trying to do better and earn more and and you know you stop you just start dipping into things and that’s better than this and that gets put on the lead by and you move ahead with this one and you know it’s been a it’s been horrific but it’s been brilliant it’s been a good ride yeah but would i do it again i don’t think i would know you all right to just elaborate on the ride because going from like being in your late teens the news reports were saying this cartel had like hundreds of people work from all this stuff yeah how does it go from that teenager well from from say i was married at 19 me and my wife have been together since was nine years old so we’re married at 19 and then obviously i did in the 80s i was forever doing boast all sentences yp sentences for doing what i do in town fighting and that then you know i killed someone with a single punch at outside boots in nottingham city centre about three and a half years for that for a manslaughter started on you yes my wife just got married and someone’s tried to grope her and and he just went outside i smacked her meetings out on the curb and i got nick for that remanded for that that was the first one and then there’s quite a few guys in prison there’s enough of things like that someone’s got set ups and behind there behind your ear is the weakest part of your school and if you land on it you’re a gunner right because it shoots into your brain right that’s what happens bloody hell were you surprised um was it like you know going to court for all that and stuff was it upset you know well it was part part of the course for me but when you’re young it’s upsetting but as you get older you just get bitter and bitterer and you know it’s hard for your family so when you’re in the jail you get you get drugs in don’t you sell the drugs to to feed your family and everybody was doing it in the 90s that’s how it was you just got visits you shoved it all over your arse and job done no cameras are in days so you knew everybody inside yeah everybody yeah yeah because was prominent at 19 and 20 you know it was well known but so when you got out on that sentence then what was your life like it was good that’s what that that’s when i went back to work and with the council and things was nice and then you need more money than they can pay so and that you get people on your estate at the time who are selling drugs they’re absolute honors and you’re thinking what what what what these earning all this you know driving around in the day it was exile free eyes and that relates to that but if yeah i said to our kid what he’s doing these wankers that’s lovely so we just took it off and yeah and started doing it ourselves that’s how it’s been but i’ll talk about it because i’ve done the jail for it so yeah you know but you’ve got to fill the cupboards or call by crook at that age your family need feeding i have four children yeah so calling them back then was he in and out of the boston as well yeah colin did a few but colin colin used to be known as knuckles because because he’s got massive hands there he just used to snore him yeah just used to put him to sleep in one punch at that so no no one to talk to him when they had problems with colin needs to come and talk to me dave can you sort this out because it’s good to him you’ll just pull the face and bow yeah that’s how it’s always been blessing yeah but it’s good stuff colleen man but they’ve just proper gone to town this time stitched him up yeah yeah we’re gonna get to that then yeah all right so you decide to take over and does that mean like you taxed the local people that were doing it already or no no just we just told them they’re not doing it no more we’re doing it and you’re off the scene and only people sell this around here is us this is our firm’s job and anybody else does it there’s going to be serious consequences so you know and obviously serious consequences happened are you able to elaborate on that well people people got serious beatings and people was put in hospital you know but as far as i i can’t really elaborate anything did you get convicted of stuff around that time yeah i was always locked up yeah i was like not the man of thought i was so what was your next sentence after the one that one um what did i get then i’ve done 15 months three years i’ve done a four and a half eight and a half so was that all drug related no no only the last one was drug related i’ve never been nick for drugs just the last one but the major one is where my daughter was nine years old in a bar she’s having a sunday lunch with my wife and the children and a man’s failing to the table not the coca-cola or whatever she’s she jumps up screaming he’s belted her in the eye so i’ve got a phone call i’ve gone down in me my paul’s got one of them and it’s not a murder mate let me just beat him so i bit his eyelids off and his lips off and swallowed him but that that’s what i had to do because he’s caught my daughter’s eye so far i’m going to score you for life mate he’s bashed all her eyelid open yeah and then as we’ve gone in the boys like that at the bar to my family so i thought you’re going to sleep here mate and then i’m going to go talk to i’m going to go to town on you and that’s what i did i just i just ended him mate with some some fists and feet and then bit him just let him know what what time it is drunk drunk drunk drop a drunk one of them bashing nine-year-olds nine-year-old daughters yeah me nine-year-old child holy like it can’t happen can it it can’t happen don’t happen i got four year nine month for it yeah you should have got a medal yeah and you come and give evidence as well i can’t believe it he was locked up at the time always the way is in these cowards but he’s dead now i seen his wife the other day i said what’s happened to that wanker where is he now i said he’s dead david said for that piece of absolutely yeah but he were locked up during the two years because he battered the bird he was wifey amadeus he obviously stuck him in and then he’s come from shrewsbury because he couldn’t be placed in the midlands because of our connections so he was in jail and shrewsbury come and give evidence he got me four year nine months but you know so does a woman be a kid beat on a snitch and a snake yeah no good cunning i’m glad he’s dead what was the next sentence after that one after that i think i got a three for a violent disorder what led to that it was a new year’s eve party and one of the lads have been through out by the by the host so they’ve come and woke me up i said dave this bloke threw his eyes punched on the nose so we all went around with baseball bats and stoved him in but you know that was the days in them days yeah that’s what happened humiliating people you went to sleep so all these prison sentences so far in the story that you’ve described was it just plain sailing for you because you knew everybody yeah plain sailing you know it just took you on the chin you dealt at the end you play the undone you and you do your best while you’re in jail treat people with respect if they want it they can have it and it’s like that but no one wants it you don’t really want it because you want to get out but you’ve just got to show yourself as somebody who’s not bothered and let’s have it then what about run-ins with the guards yeah i’ve always got on with them to be fair there’s a there’s a i’ve had a few runnings i’ve had a few runnings with them but especially on the special units but in them sea cats and that as a young kid you get on with them all because they all want to smoke me off so the run-ins were later on later on yeah yeah what was the next sentence then after the three would have been what did i get about 27 one for someone for another daft abh punching someone in the eye socket in a club i was always pissed off hitting people not bullying but in my head there’s a reason no no no it wasn’t yeah that’s all you know and you know because i i i’ve always had medication for schizophrenia and all that sort of stuff so in my head i think i’m right and and it’s these come first and i’ll unload a few of them and then after when you realize you know to say i’ll come at me and before you know you’re getting led away in cuffs oh what’s that my big wild woman she’s got like a tumor on part of her brain and she goes from zero to psychosic without so many seconds i know yeah you can do that yeah it’s easy mate yeah so you got you got a string of these offenses then yeah and then what led up to the bigger one that what which one the eight and half one yeah um i had a massive had a massive conspiracy to supply in england the whales with amphetamine heroin and cocaine but never doubt in class as it was only an amphetamine i’m not minimizing it it’s drugs you know he’s banging out of the border but i was dealing in amphetamine earning good money i was earning about 18 grand a week off it so i was having probably out of it but then when we all got bossed could what they done that we had a special branch an mi5 on us right because we was getting that that big all over the country but with all the other lads doing what they’re doing and everything so the beoguard my workers they both with their asses and stole all the jewelry in that but why they was in there they put cameras in the televisions so these there’s videos of them with the misses on the seti and you know the private private videos and there’s like there’s loads of them and they’re they’re talking saying oh yeah dave said to this and dave said to this and it but it brings down the conspiracy didn’t it and then they bugged me car at the ed response the stereo but uh bugged it that was all did you notice the stereo was bugged well i was on my way to york one day and um the person with me i’ll say i said look that’s a different stereo dave that that’s got a big scratching yours had a big scratching this is brand new no it’s not it’s it’s my stereo it’s my cd he said no look it’s gone so i pulled over on the label on the a1 ripped out and launched it and i thought i’m going to sell this car when i go back when i had shush but but by that time the damage had already been done because my powers have been sat there mate doggy saying 22 years i’ve been dealing drugs mate and he got a five year for that just for the car being bugged it falls just admission yeah one admission yeah i got in five years and it it locked me up had the kids working for me they was all bugged and when they got raided i got raided i got arrested in a bistro in in bull in a place called bulwar by on police i sat there with my friend who’s passed away now and they’re coming guns drawn you’re under arrest david i thought it was for them m chargers but it won’t and they come in and nick me for drugs i said what are you all about me anyway that they did have a lot mate so i was i was cathayed for nine kilogram amphetamine went to wakefield prison had two nights there then five in the morning west off to manchester to strange ways on e-wing near the cate unit so i was there for about two and a half months then i got neat for the murders they took me to lao police station um in armed escort helicopter and all that all on please then they brought me back and i realized that was iris cathy and then obviously i’m there that i’m iris kate so let’s crack on with it but it’s a big fight on and so you’ve got to roll your sleeves on and get ready for it so you’ve covered a lot of ground now let’s go back a bit um so you had two days in monster mansion yeah yeah on b wing what was that like great no nonsense on b wings there is on b wing but wakefield roman units just specifically for cate prisoners and obviously there’s a lot of lads who will watch this who know about it who’s been there you know so it’s the last 18 cells on the land and there’s a there was bars there at the time but they had all these nonces there in wheelchairs and that and used to go in the shower i was in with with uh jammer shaw you know the bradford cop killers for the travel agent ones i was locked up with them so because we’re in the showers one day i’ve seen this little nonce in his wheelchair with his leg going knee going up and down scratching his balls out watching us in the shower so it says to jammer go and boil the kettle mate and put some sugar in it so he’s gone on board it brought it back in the shower says come here mate balacar once it’s coming i him straight in his face so he’s going around in his chair bent her foot i thought you dirty bastard people playing with scott watching men in the showers i scolded him but after that it all got sealed off they put thick plastic up all around the wing because they knew we weren’t having that yeah you know and there was all the all the sydney called he married a 21 year old scars fellow there and they married him in the jail just pure homosexuality in there was this before or was i was after paul sykes was this yes sightseeing died by then sexy died by then yeah yeah so good stuff i was in full sun with his son yeah yeah he’s good stuff how did he get left off yeah i think he got life off in the end yeah but he got the the the the the coloured people in there served him up in the showers cut him up yeah served him up but good kid he was wha what was um what was he like then he said he likes his son yeah you’re great he was odd could have a good mate hey he could swing his face he was a unit yeah you know but you know in them in them places everybody who’s been in them will know exactly what i’m saying the the parent paranoid breeders like in the morning you’ll see them coming out screw-faced and they’ll say morning and if you don’t say morning back at dinner it’s going to be on you because they think you’ve got a vengeance with them so they’ll come and knife you in the back of the neck that’s how there was there’s two or three a week in there yeah drive me two murders in there while i was there i was in there with a kid called damien from northampton yeah right and he said dave i’m going on the numbers i’m going to do a nonce i said leave it demo right i mean i’m not going to say his last name i can tell you his last name but anyway he’s going on the numbers he’s killed a nonce called hatch got him up choked him out stabbed him and when the screws have gone to the door he’s barricaded up and this says to him under the door hatch and he had his ambiance they’re saying can’t like talking about his mouth moving so in the end of fourth century and the fella’s dead wow yeah killed him but he said he just he just wanted the notoriety he did lovely kid he’s only doing a seven of summer right but then you’ve got i think you’ve got 25 for it 25 l plates yeah and it comes with life for some people yeah yeah yeah the other one some people like the notoriety don’t they yeah but but you know in general you get the notoriety for a week then you forgot about it somebody else has it and then the thing is if you’re the toughest someone else wants to make them someone else will make a name of you and they’re right as life goes on and carries on you’re getting older and older and older so people think i’ll have a pop at this con and yeah you know they always do that that’s life i’ve done it myself yeah i’ll snore this fella and you just knock them out and obviously it happens all the time so you’ve got to be ready for it yes on our recent tour of the north a lot of people were telling us stories about lee duffy and possibly yeah yeah don’t fake did you hear anything about it yeah i knew a lot about duffy through the newcastle list because sunderland lag weren’t he yeah but orders nails south bank yeah orders nails yeah yeah all the sunderlands loved him still talk about him to this day i think there’s gonna be a movie or something about it yeah there wants to be as well odd as nails maybe that fella was and there’s a book about him in the book about him and fifth graham because with graham yeah well i got a prison he gave me that boy gotta read it mate brilliant book yeah but you know in them days there’s no tvs in in the jail so you just sat there engulfed in books i’m reading in that and when i when i read that one viv graham rated him proper rated him but someone could shot him near his cosworth didn’t they and done it wanker and they got duffy as well yeah got duffer you got me you got end yeah yeah bless him but he could have a go in the only young kid as well we could throw his weight about maybe he didn’t have two folks did they oh the bouncers would just lock the doors yeah yeah they weren’t telling me he couldn’t commit his bolts off yeah vote them all off yeah yeah yes if you’re interested if you’re watching this um we have done the audio books the duffy audio box holder the moon there’s a whole series of them on amazon if you wanna viewers wanna listen to the ozone hopefully we’ll get your book out sometimes all right so two days in monster mansion what was the next one the next one was manchester i went on e-wing there was there about two and a half months got arrested for the murders strange ways to change what was this this was in 2005. because we’ve interviewed loads of people have been in strange ways yeah changeways went to badger you know you know but that’s the man’s home bad people are they imagine what’s that like because manchester liverpool there was a lot of yeah the lot of beef always has been because of the football and that but i’ve gone there and i’ve turned up about half seven in the morning because i’ve gone from wakefield street they’re no court case room says i’ve got all my stone island on and everything i’ve gone bowling down the stairs with my blanket and they’re all like saying who’s this 34 00:22:52,79 –> 00:22:55,119 normally so i got talking to a scarce fellow well two of them two brothers porky and willie become really good powers of mine right and that they’ve said who are you mates i’ve told him he says hang on i made a phone call and he said yeah yeah got his gold good this lad’s got his gold and i was in for drugs and all that obviously they found somebody who’s in the know from liverpool and knows us in nottingham yeah so we got i got accepted then without paperwork and that and then i just cracked on then but made it made made the right meal of it and got knuckled down there’s some good lads there that made some proper good poles did you ever sell me in when you when you just standard cat a on that unit they like to put you in in a cell with someone and i went in with another because i’m diabetic i went to a cell with a kid called stuart granger absolute brilliant kid he’s doing life and that but fantastic kid and he’s about to art now as well so proper brilliant kid love him to be so with proper good close powers and next bumped into him in full sun when i was doing the tours of the top securities and then it made a fuss of me and when you get somewhere sean they take all your stuff off you and you don’t get it for two or three weeks so you hit the wing with nothing and then obviously people know you because people have already earned then people who know you as well and they come and bring bags of theirs food you’re on a meal tonight dave because you cook all your own food in them but your steak and chips and that tonight are you okay for i said yes mate sand you know and just just live that’s what you’ve got to do went up to 21 stone come out 21 stone i did massive but no training just eating fat as they come so he said he was a diabetic was he a diabetic diabetic 34 year old so at that point in your life had you had that coma situation yeah no i had the coma 2000 yeah 2004 i’d had it yeah let’s go back to that then what what happened around there well i i i you know i was a heavy drinker in them days and i’d gone on the session i was having a hey all not food and i’ve gone to bed one night and my brother and i had to break in in the morning because i’m i’m unresponsive so they broke in they booted the door off they’ve come upstairs and um i’ve got i’ve got up swinging so he’s knocked me out just put one on my chin and knocked me clean out phoned an ambulance carried me to the in the back of the ambulance and then followed it in in his range rover got to the hospital and you know i still i was asleep for six days not because of the punch because of my blood sugars went below two millimoles and i went in a coma had you had a corner before that no that’s the first one i had the first one yes but i i didn’t know i was in it and when i woke up right um i’ve come round on that i didn’t know where i was and i didn’t know who was who all i could remember is my mom and colin didn’t know didn’t know my wife sandy didn’t know my children didn’t know nobody horrendous so how long is the rehabilitation from that getting your memory back well he’s still in fully back now and that was 2006 no no my short-term memory is crap long-term i can remember years ago but short-term like what we’ve said up there i don’t remember so we’ll have to write things down so when you got took home from the hospital are you thinking where am i going really who’s this in the car with me i didn’t know and then and then i ended up walking around dead confused i thought i’ll go for a walk because i like a walk i used to have one of those koshers up my sleeve with gas in people say hello dave will you gussom and put it back on the sleeve the lunatic didn’t know what they were doing proper added gun but slowly but surely it was coming back and i could remember things that you just click one more and you think ah this happened and then you say to him he says you know can remember this they said yeah that happened dave and all that but it’s mad because you got an interesting legal situation didn’t you work by because of your memory it was part of your defense defender did you have to talk about that one yeah yes i made what what was the crime the crime was i had uh two murders two i had a normal murder charge for the thing in scotland but totally innocent like every one of us was but the way that the way they did it and i deceitfully was and how they’ve done it you know they ended up convicting three people they got convicted ten to two i was acquitted twelve to none you know everyone believed me but i believe on murder trials and things like that if you’re not willing to take the stand and tell them what’s happened and what’s happened with you and everything who’s going to believe what your embarrassed is saying you’ve got you’ve got to talk about it you’ve got to be open and honest and talk about it that’s what you have to do me so i did all i was in the dock for four days under constant attack but i swallowed it and i answered every question because i went i weren’t lying you see i was telling the gods on his truth and out in the end i was acquitted but i was still on remand for the drugs charge i had not nine kilo of amphetamine and then they ended up getting eight and a half years for that so the media cause i’ve been reading all the media and you’re gonna set some of this straight as well yeah so the media and the videos were saying um they were linking all the murders back to like a tit for tat going back to jamie was it yeah when my jamie uh um it was in a bar where where where was half owners of the barge this is your nephew that’s my dream it was like your son wasn’t it yeah was my sister’s boy but he was always with me i proper looked after him you know and he i used to get father’s day cards off him and everything but what what what’s happened in the in the bar there are two fellas are coming i don’t name them because they’re not worthy of naming right but they’ve gone in the bar they’ve started groping a couple of the birds so the young lads here we used to call the young lads the hyenas because when one went in about 20 of them coming you know you just got smashed to fall so they didn’t realize everyone’s there and once couple have gone into them there were bars gone into them and they’ve smashed trays and bottles in their faces so fair play trend they’ve gone and got gunned up they want revenge so as they’ve gone in the card they’ve phoned marvin bless him never been in trouble in his life just as a worker but they like to plan with the lad so they phoned him up i think about 3 30 in the morning and um i was in spain at the time right so he’s going to pick him up but the man who’s done done the beating with the ash trees was a mixed race kid and i won’t name him either right but they’ve seen marvin as mixed raced pull up in the car get him in the car and drive out as he drove out they’ve shot him in the head mistaken mistaken identity totally innocent made never done anything wrong in his life totally innocent i’m right in front of jamie jamie sat next to him we were obviously blood all over him and i finished he went on a downward spiral mate and um all that all them silly offers and papers not saying he was taking cocaine he was a dorm and he went a doorman and he didn’t use cocaine just when he just went very depressed and on a downward spiral and in the end pneumonia had done him and you know i remember him it was out on the saturday so i’m going um now dave i don’t feel very well mate i’m going home i said okay i’ll come and pick you up tomorrow so i rang him the next day he never answered his phone i thought i’ll leave him lying in and then by that time you’re on a session and that’s my biggest regret in my life not going around his ass you know to fetch him and and then on the monday morning of our phone call saying he died oh horrible mate horrible but then because because jamie had died and then the fellas that shot marvin right the onus was then on us because his parents got killed so they’re saying well it must have been them they must have done it you know and so they put all the work into me and colin of course yeah but but there’s a there’s a lot of people you know i’m not going to slaughter john sterling lovely bloke he was one of my best poles the man who got killed so obviously nothing to do with me i didn’t know his wife didn’t know what she was but i knew her family you know but absolutely nothing to do with none of us it sounds like that one of the shooters was into a lot of stuff one of the shooters of jamie’s mate that killed james was into a lot of stuff because there was um a news report that said when he got found guilty yeah through water through water over the family members of his victim it was it was a mistaken identity so he should have been feeling remorse yeah and said i’m a bad man he looked like he had a doughnut in his head yeah that’s right i absolute absolute terrible mate terrible piece of i’ve never heard anything so cold in my life bad no sense no feeling that’s what they say in it yeah yeah all right so all that drama was going on then and you um you guys the you got the mi5 on you and everybody they’re my five special brands and the only reason i knew at the time i got nick i was i was going out i was going where was i going tennery for somewhere like that and i used to have a burberry bag when we doing and i’ve gone through they’ve snatched it off me counted it and i knew you could take ten thousand pound out of the country at that time and they said mr gone were you going with this ten thousand pound that’s what what the it were you who are you so where’s officers from special branch than that right so anyway i’ve swallowed that thing okay i said i’m going to spend it what do you think i’m going to do and took me back back and just went because you could have that in them days but unbeknown to me and i didn’t find out until 2006 when all the paperwork come through they sat on the plane at the side of me and that sat on the plane in front of me and they come to spain with me and everything so it was them but it was good it was very good i’ll give them that it was excellent mate when you go through your police paperwork and you know that’s before the days of the drones and that but yeah it was on you there was good the photos they had was amazing god knows how they got him yeah god knows so there was headlines scene shotting them now we we’ve got a lot of american viewers uh are not familiar with a lot of this terminology yeah could you explain what shotting them how that came about that name well shotting them because they were saying there was over 20 shootings a month on that i mean and and not just aimed at the best woodlot it was all over black on black white on white and everything there was lots of it but it was called shotting him because they’re saying the city’s not safe the plea because at the time the police didn’t come up best would we please best wood at the time police didn’t come up a park or or drive around or anything we did it so could you expand on that if the viewers you saying you policed it yeah what does that actually mean meaning people who say if someone got burgled they don’t phone the police they phone me and colleen aladds have find out who’s done it tekken rand wear them in get the people to tread on the reds and all that or or smash their hands in with hammers and that’s the sort of thing that went off in them went right down there was no joyriding on the estate because of the children none of that and they’re playing football on the streets anybody who joyride they had their legs done anybody who stole from i said had their hands done that’s what used to happen so i think the americans would relate that into kind of like the mafia don corleone yeah we’ve seen this kind of but we won’t know mafia or we’re just just people looking after his own and you know if someone’s burgling your neighbors let’s get the stuff back and make them feel embarrassed you can beat them and they’re not going to grasp you because they’re not getting grass themselves yeah so you just used to put them to sleep so the next um terminology then that we need to explain to you is the burger bar boys what does that mean the burger bar boys they’re they’re the birmingham lads they they’re relatively they’re at war with the johnsons aren’t there but i know a lot of the burger bars and i’ve got a lot of good friends in the johnsons so i don’t get involved in the mix although they don’t like me for talking to one side from the other but it’s all all jail things you know but yeah there’s some good stuff in them and it’s all started in the rave days didn’t it where they were used to good drilling and slagging each other off on the mic and that’s what started it yeah that’s what doesn’t it so you know colin um what he’s written to us he’s he said certain things that he wanted to get the record set straight on and one was there was an undercover cop who wrote about infiltration burger bar boys yeah has he written about you guys as well he’s written books on us just to feather his own nest no one’s ever met him we in besswood we we call him the crackhead cop that’s what we call him i’m not gonna name him anyone who wants to can google it right but it was a complete out and out drug addict and the closest he got to notting was mansfield on park benches smoking crack with junkies right he’s never infiltrated us because let me be straight here in that day when we when we was proper on top and giving it out right if if we come in the bar and say sean it didn’t know you and seen you in that one of our bars would say who the are you who yeah with get gone and get get ready and then you’d have them all sieving at the mouth all the young tall toured up reddit so we’re doing so who said no you’re not doing it but that’s how it wasn’t then there’s just be two or three hundred of us in the pubs and if you didn’t know his person what’s he doing in there who wants to sit in a bar with 200 youths who were firing and sniffing and smoking and and talled up you’re not going to want to sit there unless you’re all built so you just get rid of them that’s how it was yeah so we didn’t have no there’s no way we’ve ever been infiltrated by the old bill anybody never been infiltrated and then because of all this then you get you get the wanker offers and all that start calling your brother names in that which unfounded and i’ve got all the evidence here off the police because in the police paperwork it says doesn’t if they infiltrate you or not so you know right away yes in mind they said he couldn’t infiltrate us that’s why the authorized wiretap that’s why they do it that’s why they do the bookings yeah because that comes after after if you can’t be infiltrated they put they put tags in your ass and cameras in your ass yeah and the favorite one is where the shoe into your carpet through your letterbox if you fire an arrow into your thing i had one in my ass for four months you had to find a pin it’s a minor opinion and you can’t change your carpet and it has an 100 meter radius to near every conversation yeah yeah yeah holy how about it all 100 meters so you’re sat there whispering in your in your living room with your door shut they can hear you oh my god shagging your misses they’ll you’re shagging your misses it’s the kids who are thinking about getting into the drugs lifestyle don’t do it i think you just delete your text they’re not gonna catch ya what do you say to these kids you’ve got gangster i say don’t do it man mate get a job live your life don’t end up like me and my brother seriously because there’s no dough in it because when you get neat they’ve just took 1.2 million off me so when you get neat they’re going to take everything you’ve got and you’re going to come out scratching your knackers thinking what am i going to do now but you’re going to be wanted like jesse james you can’t do all so keep away from it get a job and make your mum a dad proud that’s all i’ll say about it and i drove that into my grandchildren it’s got to the point now in america if you’re a teenager in your parents car and you’ve got weed in the car cops seize the car and keep it doesn’t it civil asset fought for sure oh yeah yeah just have it now so your mum and dad lost a car yeah [Laughter] so there was a few other stories and legends that you guys wanted to address you and your brother wanted to address what was a journalist wasn’t there yeah there’s a journalist we we we call him the cokehead journalist i’m not going to mention his name he’s not worthy of it but he’s wrote books on us complete fabrication he’s labeled my brother a police informer which could it entirely put his life at risk in the prisoner state you know and then what he’s done then is he’s fed the information on to other journalists then he gets it’s repetitive it gets repeated and repeated and repeated but colleen’s got no voice because he’s iris kate he’s been iris kate for 17 and a half year now so now i’ve got all i’ve got all the information here off the police you’ve had a copy sean and yeah so all the information off the police saying colleen’s never been an informant and he’s never been paid for information and at the time of the so the so-called informing it was 2001 to 2002 he’d been in spain for two years on the run for for some afraid you know so he can’t possibly be informing especially on other gangs that ain’t my brother anybody who knows me and my brother knows that won’t be tolerated you’d just be you’d just be gone so you know you i’ve watched these videos and these journalists or youtubers or whatever they’re just like same with authority in this year you know colin became a police informer and that’s how he was able to like keep you know the cops wouldn’t investigate him for things and he’d go and investigate his competition they saw this all come from the thing where we had a palo and who was a manager of the shop lime is right on one day i mean i don’t have nothing to do with old bill or anything but one day the the pet fellow running he’s running out of color he says cole charlie is joining the old bill and he said he’d be good for information on that right but colin said well i’m not interested mate but in the end because you say you’re in tan and people get whacked will get whacked out they get dressed up so you’ll you’ll see your phone jail and say jane that’s charlie use grass steering me and then you know people going around having a word and all the charges were dropped you can’t do it now but in them days that’s what used to happen and and then it’s gone from that to was buying him thousand pound armani suits and all the bollocks it never happened never happened i don’t know if colleen ever gave him a drink through jay but you know in in our firm at the time we don’t pay please there’s an indian fellow there and they used to be into the scooters and the paladin done a shot called icon scooters right so a couple of they’ll bill you to come down there they had an opening party and that you should be there and the police say leave it dave don’t say oh to him because they’re buying scooters off me he used to go to vietnam getting all the scooters doing them all or vespers and lambretta’s and they’re selling them in his shop but you know there’s been no informing and no payments you know but i think they all got jail in the end because of charlie j grove got free i think charlie fletcher so fletch is the one there’s the the dominant one in the news stories is that colin put this guy into the police force yeah nonsense never never met him never met the pun never met him and then and then the junkie author in his book is saying that colin was at school with him and all that was either the author or or the crackhead one was sitting in his book one of their books colin was at school with him and that colleen’s a lot older than him no he went to school with him no one knew him never met him but so one of the other myths then that we wanted to dispel um there was a woman wasn’t there that was saying things about colleen yeah yeah what happened was i mean the fella’s doing life now i won’t mention his name but he’s doing live for a murder in nottingham he was out with his with his wife at the time and her friend was out so she said she fancied colin so he’s ranked come out for a drink where’s cole this bird fancies you so colin’s gone out and he’s met this bird and at the end of the night they’ve gone back to a hotel but she sat up on sniffing coke and taking pills so nothing’s gone off and then it’s gone on for about another two or three days and he’s never he’s never done her but she’s then gone to the police schizophrenic it’s turned out she is right but she’s gone to the police and they’ve had it for nine weeks and she’s saying to him yeah colleen’s told me about the murders of the stirlings we’ve had gang meetings in basements with drug dealers constant bollocks what she was telling but anyway the information was that reliable she wasn’t even a witness on the murder charge you know it was just total nonsense and they knew it were total bullets and they had a nine weeks that’s it i mean i don’t even know the bird’s name but just disregard everything she says but then you get the author then jumping on it colin had a penchant for teenage girls he didn’t have a pension for teenage girls it went out with a young girl at 19 colin were 32 i think she were 19 and they lived together for a few weeks that was it you know but you don’t make your sex offender she’s 19 for sake oh we’re married at 19. two kids just desperation isn’t it yeah desperation but because if you throw enough someone’s going to stick something exactly some will stay and and to destroy your your image you’ve got to destroy the name so once you destroy the name by saying you’re a grass you’re this your teenage girls your mif’s gone you know and that’s how they do it yeah you see it all the time all the time well yeah yeah just complete wankers mate yeah that’s what they like to do so you know as you’re getting towards your longer sentences then when was colin actually sent down for his big one we was on trial for the murders we started was i was on remand i was on remand in january 05 i went on trial for the murders for four months in i think it was june yeah june june the 6 06 and then it finished in about october what was it yeah hectic hectic lot of security a lot of security every now and again because was all i risk at easy so you’re strapped up in pursuits and with prisoner on the back and everything helicopters cars guns all around the courts guns are drawn anyway every now and again they’re rushing to the court aiming mack tens and all that and then eckler and kosh rifles and the jury are doing that just to show each other that they’re there for you know that’s what they were doing and the judges stand up get out my court and all that so the me can off out the court but the damage is done the damage is done because every morning you see when the jury are coming in the jury was under under police guard yeah so they can’t be infiltrated they’re claiming so as they’re pulling into court we’re pulling in at the same time and all there’s all coppers down the middle of the road like that dogs on roofs helicopter over and above where i’m pleased hanging out and that’s how you pull into the gates and the jurors see you they know it’s you so to make sure they know it’s you they rush the court with guns out so then they think yeah this is them this is they are coming into this armed escort so that’s a implied guilt to the jury yeah we’ve got to do all this 35 grand a day for transport i know that for four months i’ve spent millions on it absolute millions just just shake that all the time yeah yeah yeah it’s just it’s just nonsense yeah nonsense mate so what what like did you get to look at the jury and all that yeah you select them you you your qc select them so i think we have 50 odd and you just pick 12 out of them but you know you say you don’t you don’t select him your q season the judge will select him and the clerk of the court but you you turn around and say i don’t like him um he look he looks this or he looks it so i know his face and like but we didn’t know the faces because it was it was the middle of birmingham but you know but you get rid of who you you think you you don’t like because some people have that wrong look about them if they’d have found you guilty how much time would you got i died in prison i think my brother got a 35 i got the same this podcast is sponsored by harry’s harry’s is way more than a super sharp razor company they’re here to revamp your whole routine from close shaves and flake-free hair all the way to clear healthy skin harry’s helps guys feel great for this sponsorship harry’s is offering a free travel sized 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especially people like my brother and that you just lose your temper you start offering them out when they’re mentioning jamie you bastards and and all that you know he used to lose his temper blessing but you have to you have to kind of calm down a bit don’t you in that scenario because you want you want a good standing you want them to think you you’re not a div and you’re quite intelligent i drew me here i had curly hair i had glasses on it looked like a nonce wait don’t meet me he’s a sex offender not a murderer and all that and i got acquitted one of them you just sit downstairs then you ring ring caught one everyone’s caught one you feel your verdicts up you go it’s a question they want a question so five weeks after that passed out yeah just questions it was torture me but uh you know me i i i 100 knew that i’ve done nothing wrong and i’ve told the truth so i’ve got nothing to hide and brother in them they’re innocent but they’ve been found guilty saying so uphill awful struggle now well even though you knew you were innocent the court is theatre isn’t it yeah it’s they’ve spent all that money they’ve put in the best fiat and the best actors win it yeah but i i had a qc called trevor boak it was absolutely outstanding i had orlando panel first but he had he done the omar bombing after that so i got trevor burke so absolute outstanding brilliant qc and no prisoners so that helped your confidence yeah but it helps your confidence because it and you know you know you think you clued up on it all but legal jargon they lose you they lose you with it all so you’re writing things down and giving them notes and they’re saying yeah yeah and all that but really they’re thinking off i’ve got this in the bag and they used to come down after i said this in the bag dave don’t worry about it it’s in the bag so i was quite confident where until until the verdicts come in i thought there we go yeah because john john and tricky were first they got found guilty then so when they got found guilty you think you know we’re all up me they’ve got fangirls we’re here then um lenel he got fanned not guilty uh mckinnon got found not guilty shane bird not guilty kevin not guilty calling guilty then me not guilty so you were last i was last year how did it feel when they found your brother guilty it devastated me devastated because really i should have been the happiest man in the world but i was gutted i i can’t be happy so that’s it now you’ve got the downright art and the opera and the opera you know you’re going to be going absolutely but they’re clashing and colliding and you just imploding because i’m thinking i mean mum’s going to feel she’ll be happy for me but she can’t show happiness because of my brother and all that you know how your family’s gonna feel it was a horror horrible time mate but but you know after after being on remand for two years in the end because of the drug charge and everything and getting found not guilty you don’t get an apology you just get looked at like you’ve got away with it then they take all your dough off you yeah that’s what they do yeah even people who are innocent on death row they’re not getting apologies don’t get an apology no apologies to give you a few quid enjoy but i’ve never even got a few people i never got never got all like chalk yeah so were you released right away that day no i mean no i went downstairs i thought i played this here i’ve gone downstairs i said not guilty under the gate i’m off let me out the cell said no we’re waiting for the warrants to come back was the gun so now get the door undone my family are out there i want to go anyway they come back say no you’re a man for a conspiracy you’re statement you have to stay in for a bit i stayed in for another another two and a half years yeah and then i got released i was in i’ve got barred from the old city in nottingham i had a big red map where i couldn’t enter on the m1 i had to go through derby to come on up next junction and all that took it took her to elkiston and all that places and then um i got recall for swearing i swore in a hostel called someone a fat bastard one of the women who were they hitting me on the head with a letter saying you’re late mr gun that’s your final warning you broke your curfew i said i’m not on a curfew curfews lifted every tuesday so i’m like out pissed up so i snatched the envelope through it in the face says off your fat bastard i’ll see the manager about you in the morning five o’clock in the morning five guns in my head off you go off you go back kate went to wood hill then straight straight back to full sun kate again so was the time that you were serving with your brother yeah yeah it was unremanded me and my brother was the first romance at long law and because at the time at wakefield right we were just dead blows eight for the king of the wing we’re not nonsense we do what we’re one i’m remember two murders what you’re going to do about it you know what can you say yeah anyway miss sodor’s gone in one night i’ve got the phone on my ass and there’s a battery on charge under under my big power buster and it’s on charge they got that got the battery said where’s the phone dave i saw how cons left the battery there and blacked it i got five days cc my last day of cc i’ve gone on a visit there’s me colin and charlie bronson so i’m on a visit made a fuss of each other we’re sat there on the visit and um they’ve come said terminate your visit you’re gone straight to reception gone long lawton yeah first reminds here what was the first time you met charlie bronson charlie i met charlie in 98 was on e-wing at lincoln it was a special unit at the back of seawing and he come off here and used to have a medicine ball called birther brilliant blue brilliant boost to 100 press up hundred sit-ups and he won’t get banged until he’s done them all and every landing and then he’d run around the landing dead fast absolute fantastic brilliant loved him have you seen him deck any guards oh yeah he he swung out a few you after at wakefield when was all on the special unit there you know yeah there’s five yards and you have me and me and colin in one because we’re co-accused and family and charlie are being one there’s beside writing another you know all going down and charlie will start exercising he’ll cover himself in cocoa butter and all that sweating up some food they’ll say time time to come and charlie fac off you slag yeah that’s what you used to say and then it was on he used to come out with the team ended and he brought him but you can’t help him because you’re locked in you in your thing you can’t get out this cage is between you you can’t get out mate but charlie’s gamers fault mate it was at full something where he was in the seg there he was sending bits over good stuff and he’s still in hell his favorite still in hell is good shape but we had a dave courtney in them they had a free charlie bronson fight at colic all years ago so charlotte charlie rang me right and he said dave you’ve let me down you said you was coming to this free charlie dude and i said charlie i was there me i sat with your brother and your mother who’s all there i’ve got a picture i’m going to post at you today he says you well my brother told me you weren’t there so i posted the picture then he wrote to us like i’m really sorry dave he said he was there thank you for the picture he says he’s a toss of my brother he went mad about it but i love charlie i do my proper good power do you think you’ll get out i hope so but he’s got he’s got a long long upwell battle mate we’ve had to play him yeah my mate um kerry danes who’s a forensic psychologist she’s helping him yeah oh isaac’s i’ve seen her on on them think crime channels yeah yeah she’s good yeah she’s good yeah blondie bow didn’t it yeah yeah yeah what about was it mordsleys they said he’s at the brains he’s awake he’s a welsh kid but he’s never getting out he’s doing a natural life and he is a proper expert with computers he gets he teaches the staff now through glass is wizard with computers and that’s just it’s just a proper brainy kid but you don’t see much of him and he won’t speak to you but he’ll nod at you as he’s walking past because on them units you’re on single unlock so when he’s in a cage modes he’s a glass cage so you walk by say oh hey matt rob you’re right he said hmm and there’s not a you know if he if he got near you’d want to kill you won’t he because not that you’re nonsense but you just want to kill you don’t want he wants to kill everybody but charlie didn’t like him charlie hated him how did that manifest i don’t know he’s just over years have been on in them i think he’s because he’s a weirdo in that and charlie’s into fitness and that he just wants to lie on his bed and walk up and down his cell yeah a few of our guests said they saw mosley and they described it as like a hannibal like animal letter yeah in the glass box yeah that’s what he’s in on the ssu at wakefield yeah downstairs because then he like was it his soulmate he got us a couple of them in his cell anything yeah he spooned the brain they said he had the brain whether he did and he didn’t deny doing that but but it killed him in them they had them them silver trays with three compartments on he’s chopped the top of the heads off with the side of the tray yeah and dug the reds out dug the brain out and then he go to the garden said there’s going to be one lesser country yeah chew off tonight god two off tonight but the time before that was when he went to broadmoor and and it was one off then see i think he’s done three yeah but you know obviously in jail things get added on that and that because i’ve never really spoke to him about it because i love i love love to talk to people about things like michael stone i’ve i’ve been saying he’s innocent for decades right and he is innocent he’s innocent mate another innocent guy and we had him on the channel was kevin lane kevin lane’s my good pal yeah yeah i love kevin catwald kev yeah brilliant brilliant kid yeah proper proper good kid fittest man in the system um lair mart lane they used to call him because he used to just flatten him the fittest man in the system made no one thought we’d kev what prison did you meet him i was in i think i was in long laughing with him to start with and then years later i bumped him bumped into him in franklin that was on f-wing and i think he was on e-wing and we used to go to the gym because he had the record for rowing record for everything fittest man in the whole system kevin super fit yeah super fit proper proper good kid and i love it when i seen him on on your podcast without a look and i’ve seen him always out mate thank god for that because it was a long slob for it did he call him for the bit isn’t he back out again no he’s out now yeah i know he got rico for about nine months didn’t he yeah but he’s out now bless him but you know i know people who know him i always always ask questions because he was dating that was it kerry caton or someone he was in this in the paper whether he was or not he was dating kerry katona on one stage said go on kev good lad so did you say you had history with dave courtney you know yeah courtney i met paul he was one of our first podcast guests yeah corny’s all right this slaughtered them the cockney’s in that slaughter unfounded me i like dave i do but i was in marbella with him years ago and and you know we had a proper proper session with him and all his entourage but 100 degree and they’ve all got suits on him and hats and everything i don’t believe it and i’m sweating for him but they were good stuff mate and on the plane back the funniest thing i’ve ever heard he’s come down the plane it was with the mc at the time that i think julia was it or something her name was a black lady but it’s coming down the plane saying no he gonna ease ecstasy what you got i know that i thought help me i’m i’m wanted like jesse james he’s just up to me right up bless him and then then later i was in i was in wood hill again with manny clark the boxer from that way and he was mates with courtney and manny’s managed me good power so i used to say to his corners addressed me and i started ryan to courtney writing back to me to take care remember this in marbella and all that and he could remember me bless him then when we had the free charlie five made a fuss of each other there you know because he obviously remembered i mean and i’ll never forget him because one of the first books i read when i was in moreland’s as a younger one would stop the boss that was one of the first ones i read because i was no telling’s in them days just reading yeah yeah i sent wild man that butt when he was uh something i want to get off yeah yeah yeah not a bad bulk bless him he’s hilarious dave well it’s funny as far if you want to go back and watch it’s in the first 10 podcasts we ever did we were at his house and uh we’d love to do a part two with him as well so yeah we’re just gonna try and arrange that yeah yeah so have you got any stories from spain other stories from spain yeah i’ve had a few good stories in spain i lived there for five years i had a field doing all the all the tobacco and all that and we were on the run out there yeah i was on the run out there yeah but usually i had a villa there when when colin was on the run he was in reveal and then i was but i was out there and coming back i had a my friend who obviously sadly died now but in the end you could go to the post office with the idea and get a year’s passport so someone get a year’s passport come back on it get another one and go back yeah and and do all that but spain was great mate we’ve to we used to go through the pyrenees with with the facts you pay the gypsies to take you through on your lorries and that was a good time i loved it what about the police out there you don’t mess around anyone in the civil guardians i remember one time like the lads have come out to see me and you know they’re all pot heads in that so we’re on the strip one of them has built a spliff at the bar so he can’t do that in ear chopper he said i’m chopping david said what the i want so anyways lit it up at the bar so if god is snatched out of his mouth he’s uppercutted him getting that banging the copper saw for fox hey chopper so guns was out and he’s gone off the wrestling they’ve gone and never seen him again for two weeks never seen them but they never got him they just did because they knew he was like he was on top wow on top to folk me i said you should never have done that mate because they remember you you know yeah remember and fill you in they take you in in benidorm you have a white cross on the mountain and that’s where they take you there and am here did you end up in the nic in spain no mate not me no clean clean living yeah used to do a few a few bits and bobs for people just to get a few quid you know but you have to you know serve a few up and that who’ve been faced it but get a few quid out of it to keep you going yeah you know while you’re waiting for your dough to come in and that yeah you’ve got a graph don’t you so how did you been on the run end to come back okay come back but in them days well i don’t know um i’d shot a shot at a dj pistol shot at a dj playing the wrong tune and in the younger days so i’ve had to off what was it some elvis tune or something like but we want to know the rave tunes in the bang bang bang shot the dis dj equipment not the dj the junior equipment all bailed out laughing his head’s off off straight away in the next morning and all the doors are going in and i’m i’m in spain get lovely turned around yeah great times great times but obviously all the lads lived out there we had a good time yeah good time out there mate enjoyed it so going through the prison system though for you know you’ve done 20 plus years who would you say is the most dangerous people you’ve ever met um [Music] well in in normal prisons anywhere else throughout your life dangerous people there’s a lot of there’s a lot of serious dangerous people yeah there’s a real real lot of serious dangerous people make but then there’s people who just don’t take no and don’t give two faults who aren’t dangerous but will turn dangerous so best best thing to do in jail is just be friendly with everybody mate that’s all you can be don’t bully don’t need to bully earn a few quid if you get a few bits be right with them and everyone wants everything don’t they so and you just live your life and fill your freezer be respectful we’ve got to be respectful and polite and don’t look down your nose at people because you know better than anybody else because you’re all cons don’t matter if you’ve got a million and a half quid outside you’re spending 25 quid a week in there yeah no matter how much you got you’re all the same what do you think about this new generation of armed robbers and dealers who come in now and they’re getting lifeed off in the like the teenagers really and they’re just fast to shoot people they’re fast for it now aren’t they i mean yeah i mean in our phone they was fast doing it but not this fast yeah it’s just right now all the humans in nottingham now they all walk around with them and you’ve got to be careful who you look at who you talk to you know because they don’t detect one poll and you i mean you can be fast but you’re not going to stop at 9 mil or a 38 oh yeah something stop it you know because your family has got a name and people young people think right that’s all generation we can make our name off that generation do you have you ever experienced any situations um people come up to you and say look we’re gonna do this we’re gonna do that but like drugs and things and i’ll educate him i’ll say look do it this way mate because i did it that way and i got naked and they look at you and they do this like what a div you don’t know what it’s all about yeah you do because you lit through it and done it all i had millions of quid out of it you know but it’s a trick there’s no getting through to somebody’s youngest yeah they’re blase they’re on a one-track mind they just want one they want wealth and they want it fast and and in the course of the wealth if people knock them and don’t pay them they’ll wig them why do you think it’s become so deadly i don’t know me i don’t because it weren’t like that in our day but then in addie there weren’t many guns about they’re prevalent now me they’re everywhere they’re reboring them you know starter pistols again reborn and filled in at the top but i don’t know people say it’s a rap scene it’s a drill scene and all that but it’s not it’s the people themselves you know you obviously want to do it or she won’t do it you can say i listen to that and and i’m going with the flow yeah but you don’t have to carry a gun don’t have too many or a knife knives are worse than guns for me can’t stand blades yeah so did you ever get attacked at all throughout your incarceration no never no never mate no did you see some heinous violence oh yeah yeah what kind of stuff i’ve seen slashings where they’ve had 380 from the neck to the waist when he was going off with the muslims and that it was going off bad slow down on that one and um what do you mean he was going after the muslims also and right they would say say obviously you get your white lads and you get your mixed race lads a lot of them are muslims the blacks are muslims and their asians are muslims predominantly but lovely kids but but yeah i have a muslim ruler on each wing of fulson and one’s overall ruler and he was on a wing i mean a london kid i don’t mention his name but he was the overall ruler of him so if he put a knit on you there’ll be 40 of them waiting for you near the gym and you go running up like we used to go up in a gang of 40 and 50 or to the gym on his own or the whites right but when sometimes one of the lads would run up front and they were waiting jump out slash it to fault face back the lot even though even though heinous are outrageous you know because you’ve probably said something wrong to him so what have this person done they’ve got the 300. well i think i think he each each him one of them and then what they used to do then on the wings now the windows up and that big so you everyone made shanks you file them all down off the ironing board legs and things like off off the light fittings snap on my father more down and flick them out your window so they go in the grass so as you go out you pick your tool up put it down your waist and that’s how it was people getting stabbed regular everyday stabbing slashings hot water and sugar the napalm you know all that nonsense regular thing with muslims and whites but because i had i had friends as muslims and i obviously my friends are white as well but a lot of a lot of the johnson crew was the muslims and there was my good close pals was all uh on romantic every woodhill and i had double murder trials together and all that all in the same crown courts so they used to say no man you know no one’s moving to d if anyone moves to d it’s on and all that because because obviously i’m having it with the whites but waiver terms didn’t get didn’t want to get involved with it don’t get involved in all that nonsense tricky unit because like i had a lot of co-defendants and they were wall races but then when you go in america it’s all you all separated yeah yeah yeah and it could mad over there was was there any riot situations no never no riots in top securities but you know there was there was there was brawls on the wings where the screws had legged contain the wing lock it off shield it all off so no one can get on or off and then then the mufti will come on and take the take the ones who’s responsible but they bang everybody up first it won’t ever come and grab you while the wings are out because a connie in a dispersal won’t see another con twisted up he does good for him if if you’re if they’re jumping another con all the screws they can’t the cons will jump then that’s what you have to do in them days that that’s the motto and and it’s all for one on one for all so that was it mate so a few of our guests have come on in the more recent years they said that the muslim prison population has grown to the point now where it is the strongest strongest especially in top securities strong strongest fault but there’s a lot of good lads in them there’s some good lads in the terrace they’re quite they’re quite witty and you you’ll get them the ed muslim of the wing when it when it’s um ramadan it’ll come round take your photos down give your tv give your mattress take everything off and put it outside the cell you’re not allowed to look at eyes and all that which is it’s the sharier thing in it and that’s that’s what they’re living on but you know don’t knock them that’s their thing so leave it with me i don’t knock him don’t criticize him if that’s what you want to do you do that you know i’m not telling you to eat a bacon sandwich but i’m cooking it’s as simple as that so over your many years imprisonment have you seen drug culture change drug culture change now it’s all that bollocks mambana spice but you know what they’re doing it with they’re mixing it well there was when i on my last sentence it was mixing it with floor cleaner and and something there’s putting some some other mixture in with it and selling it for 100 quid a4 paper and people smashed collapsing on yards and that smoking paper and just gone gone on the yard it horrendous me and then we used to say phone and ambulance that’s what we say to him he’s fought phone in ambulance he’s just gone mate there was collapsing all over the jokes a bad pandemic terrible so i i was in from like 2002 to 2007 and it was mostly heroin but there was some crystal meth yeah a lot of injecting going on was all that changed then yeah there’s nothing there’s no arrow in there mate unless unless a junkie will fancy someone you’ll swallow a bit but it’s all that mamba there’s no there’s no jail in it and people are wigging out on the mamba yeah gone gone but i remember the airwind days where they’re just sitting there doing that scratching it’s just there’s got to get in the balls the balls the nose big red nose yeah it’s terrible and then then dave i was happy with an answer squidgy black and just sitting roll a few spliffs and get your napa done you out take you out of the zone for a bit did you prefer having cell mates i’m not having so many i don’t like soul mates i’ve never really had him i had to do it because he was a diabetic and well to each other but after that i’ve never had a soulmate since that’s like living in a toilet with someone in there yeah well you know you have your toothbrush there on that and you can’t let people have a or fart where your toothbrush is yeah and all that so i used to wrap mine up when i was we saw his wrap it up some dead ocd with things johnny’s had to wrap him up and everything but after that i said listen on me i reassociate back mate otherwise i’m going to kick off i’m not i’m not having tuned up with no and i never did it again but in dispersals you don’t get too low so in longer sentences you slip into a routine it goes starts going fast doesn’t it yeah yeah what was your routine my routine i did i only ever trained legs never done top half well strong as on legs i i was pressing four seventies but i could only get seven never got ten i was curling three forties and all that on like my legs were massive but i’ve not been for nothing for about five years now but meruti was a gym three times a week in the morning and come back because i was a cleaner on the wing fry your breakfast up have a good breakfast a good protein shake get your food out the freezer for your nighttime meal you know we use fourier on the food boat so one one day someone will cook a chicken curry next day steak and chips you had a bit of salmon you had all sorts of bolognese all that sort of stuff it’s a good routine mate and you put some good sides on this is what the american viewers are very curious about because in supermax in america you can’t yeah your canteen is restricted you give you a little anti-shank thing you can write letters with anti-shank toothbrush like this and um they let you out for handball like every three or four days of a hamburglar come and shout at like four in the morning when you sleep yeah so you don’t hear it yeah yeah yeah it sounds like you’ve got a lot more liberties in the top securities i’d rather be in them if i ever got locked up against 40c cats and then because trainers send me back to dispersal with proper people because they’re all proper people the majority is never leaving the prison again and they all respect each other unless he goes off you know proper folk because it doesn’t go off as much because there’s more serious consequences yeah well it’s death it’s death it’s a death it’s death mate the consequences you’re going in the ground if it’s on you so you’ve seen it go off i’ve seen you offloads time did you give any stories on that fool well i i was in um i’m at the mention his name i watched him kill somebody in long lawton stabbed his throat out sex offender there’s been a few of them there’s been a few good stabbings with where they’ve gone yeah yeah they’ve been a few of me but the kid who was doing life and got another 25 year on top so a lovely kid from london as well another londoner lovely kid called dave my good good good pal was like that where it was at full sun is our coals good mate now as well so you’re saying it’s it’s usually over charges or is it over the depths well if you’re a beast and you’re coming on the main wing you’re going to get killed you can’t come on the wings yeah you can’t go oh you’re a grass you’re a nuns you go on the numbers mate why would they fly undercover well people people just like like to be classed as normal don’t because a lot of nonsense don’t think they’ve done it wrong no i mean even though they know the consequences of the difference i don’t know if it’s not naivety or what but some of them are just blasey to what’s going to happen to them right and then they’re walking off and there’s a big tool hanging out inside your neck and you hit the ground and you’re gone yeah like you should have stayed on the numbers your bastards that’s what i say so you see those guys get filtered out faster yeah what about disputes between the fellas does that ever kick off well what they’ll do it kicks off regularly but mainly fighting not a lot of stabbings of a dispute say say your stereo is too loud turn your stereo down i can’t hear the telly and then and it will go off so in the morning someone will be pacing the cell up and down on that para you know sharpening up and you tell him leave it out mate leave it i will sort it in the morning so they’ll come out in the morning they’ll have a swing at each other roll around they both go down the block and then they’ll come up they’ll shake hands in the block they’ll come on the wing but then it’s festering then so it goes off again and that’s when they have to get rid of one of them right one has to go you can’t keep it once it kicks off you’ve got to shift one of them or if it say for example if it kicks off with you and you’ve got 30 poles on the wing they’re not going to move you they’ll move this feather yeah because of all your poles will get in yeah i mean that’s how it is because quite often you see them punch it out then they’re having a hug and a smoke yeah i spoke together but then in your mind you think i’m going to kill you you can’t right that’s how it is but hey you’re right there was a kid called ian wright a jock kid absolute gentleman he’s been moved to shots prison ian mcateer liverpool liverpool had done his murder apparently right so um he’s having an argument on the yard with a kid on the wing i said knock it on the eddy and the kid’s all right he said no no no i’m going to i’m going to chip him i’m going to cheer him anyway ian’s gone in his cell slammed the door shut shook the blade at him and says come on one of us dying so the screaming against after fault but the screws saved him wow great yeah good old ian lovely fellow mate lovely loyal as and his brother gets me now on through youtube when i’ve been on youtube and looked at them videos of me and colin his brother’s left comments and i said you ian’s brother and all that yeah give him my best me and where is he now he’s in shots dave and i’ll tell him you asked for him and all that you know that’s how you get that into that facebook what about suicides and self-harm plenty of suicides and self-harm every day every day cell phone rips up there rips up their necks ripped every day mate is that because i meant little nests depression it’s mental illness um it’s your family of you off because no friends you see you see him looking out the window waiting for the girlfriend’s car to come it’s not coming yeah and every week they’re looking out the window where is it never on the best thing ever you know he got 35 wreck he took him from birmingham crown court straight to long law and didn’t bring him back to wood hill yeah we stuck it on the screw if one of us get fangirled so we’re going to do you in your right so you’ve got found guilty so they moved him straight there he found his missile he said look wait just got a 35 wreck from this damien you’re finished going to live your life it says i’m no good to you now babe just live your life which is a manly thing to do definitely leaving them hanging on and sat there scratching your neck as shagging your shirt tonight and all that balance what that did you have a word for that guy because we did i think it was sancho sanchez with your business okay good name a good day my kid but it’s sad isn’t it because uh that’s the lifeline all those visits with the missus for a while well that’s that’s the thing to keep you on the level and focus when it’s gone you’ve got nothing to lose you want to die and you know a lot of people do they want to die they don’t mind fighting and getting stabbed they’re not bothered are they so yeah yeah it’s horrendous me but it’s horrible when you rely when you’re relying on women like me and they blow you you shouldn’t be relying on women be relying on yourself the visits help you get through your yeah yeah i love my visits from our family my family are keen on the you know love my family what do you like in the high security visits yeah good good visits can we sit with a person or are you behind the scenes when you’re high-risk kate there’s a screw at your table where you’re like he’s visiting you were you at the table yeah you’re at the table now you’re at the table you sat there with a tape recorder and you sat there with your business you’ve got tape recorder taping you and writing notes down writing notes down about you and everything absolute scandalous but that’s because your iris category are you allowed to have a hug and everything yeah you can do all that can org and all that mate yeah but they’ll say right what get his stuff from there they’ll bring it through so you have to go to the canteen or before the visit started order all the stuff go in and then the person from the cantina bring the stuff through so you can’t drop out in it you know that’s what these two is it was probably it was militant so in terms of getting food for your visit do they have machines a lot of the gels now they’ve got machines as well as kiosks for when the kiosks are short but for certain you could buy you could buy fresh sandwiches apples pears oranges you could buy it bananas your visitors got to do that your visitors have to you can’t buy them but because you come in waiting for them and you come in obviously in handcuffs because your irish cater undergarden that yeah so you get bought down in the course they take them off you go and sit down and then your visitors will come into you and then the bird will come in will you try again so did you get access to better food through visits no well it’s better food it’s better food than poxy sea cats than that but but it’s not better food than it is on the wing because we’re never at prison food apart from some we had sandwiches in that but you’re buying loafs of bread you’re buying everything you’re buying or your spreads cheese so you said you could spend 25 quid a week on connection how it works yeah yeah you just have a sheet of paper is it yeah like say that say like that size yeah you get probably seven sheets in a dispersal yeah front and back full of everything tins of beans tins of ravioli everything you can buy from tesco join some beef chicken yeah it’s not from tesco but everything you can buy again yeah yeah joints of beef chickens fish get everything what are your what are your favorites curries always got in with the indians yeah yeah you said you want rice and peas they have some good jamaican sebby and all them proper good kids and some making some chicken soup used to use to cook the chicken at dinner strip it all in that and then boil it for the next morning and that was your soup put chilis in front boiled dumplings everything’s beautiful so in america the theory behind not cooking and not having weight is it’ll all be weaponized yeah does that stuff get weaponized in the uk no mate because you go to the office with your key and say gives that knife a carving knife to chop your meat up with it and that’s the top security you give them your key or your card and they put it on the oak and they give you the blade they say right you’ve got half hour with it gunny then take it back in half hour and if you want it again give them your card again again yeah you get a half hour limit with them but if you want to if you want to serve somebody up it happened at franklin right so what they actually are there they’ve rounded all the ends off of the knives there were no points on them after that after someone got stabbed up there yeah but crazy you could just go and ask for a knife and go if you wanted to kill someone just stick it in them yeah and they’ve given you the knife yeah americans watching this are just good their minds are getting yeah and that’s top security we we’re where they search every day for weapons because you’re cutting even the weights people’s heads were getting crushed all the way down yeah actually because it’s state by state yeah so arizona where i was there they all got took out it out yeah yeah every state has different laws and different prison systems and different rules and different gang rules yeah box in 98 i had the visa and everything got off the plane at jfk big black fella on the thing i’ve given him a passport scandi said not coming in here punk got a drug conviction man straight downstairs from thursday to tuesday downstairs in the cells with the red suit on and i thought why the am i i know i’ve sat on the plane and about 30 out of the lads have come on all with macy’s bags and everything i didn’t get at the airport and the cells underneath fuming missed the fight and everything got deported back yeah about on the same flight though but they just won’t let me in in the country they said you can’t come in sorry you’re banned from the ban from america so i never tried again but i had a visa yeah obviously they’ve double checked it and said no you 10 pound wrapper was it was that was my drug conviction not coming in punk looking back on your entire life what was the high and the low the high and the low that the high was when i had all my money and i was what was that i had all my money up until 2004. that then i’ve got a lot of early 2005 then it ended with finding it and everything fan loads you know because they did the work and you know we’ve had them on as the top boys have been honest the james bonds are the crew they’ve been honest so they know they watch where you go in the picture where you go in and all that and and the serious though was my jamie obviously it’s been my worst low in my life still close to this day when your brother got guilt you know that was probably that was a serious low as well but james jamie was the worst you know colleen’s a big man he he couldn’t he can handle it that’s through him but you know at the time i had to give him a life for our jamie just to be he’s only a young kid yeah and not seen life at all just had a boy heartbreak yeah heartbreaking mate sad sad you know you just never get over it mate you never get over it losing losing one of your kids in that mid sister especially it’s terrible definitely what about funny stories from your party days hell fire we’ve had some crackers yeah that’s some real real cracker funny ones mate you know obviously i’m telling you about about omar i want to have some good ones with him yeah that’s some proper good parties mate but funny i’m i was always into the football there with me you just concentrate on the on forest and going to all the games in there and having it on the terraces yeah young days so i was thriving off it i loved it so you’ve gone for you found a rise at a foot soldier yeah ooh colton leeched that yeah yeah yeah well he called had a few words about his didn’t he on that law of the gun documentary i don’t know each was on there about he picked us up to be fair too yeah i respected him for it because a lot of them will come on and slag the office young they’ve done that killing them and you know and all that being been convicted of that but he didn’t he come on and and proper glorified it felt yet good lads and he was on there with me paul wayne nordic but they both put good words in for us which was nice to see somebody at least saying something nice about you because after all the media bollocks and all that you’re just getting assassinated every time yeah and it gets to the state where you’ve had enough of it you fancy swinging at someone but you don’t know who they are who’s leaving comments because you get all them detrimental comments off wankers on under pseudonyms and all that and you’re never never going to find them and they never never you could leave your number they’d never ring you and say come on i’ll meet you and let’s have a straightener on the field they’re like cell warriors yeah just wankers you want to shout out the window putting different voices on they’re just tossers and they all know who we’re on about all people who’s watching this now a lot of you have done it you know you’re all wankers it’s as simple as that how did you become friends with curtis warren curtis michael powell i knew courtesy in 92 when we’re doing the ball stop no 83 when we’re doing the ball stall and then obviously you moved on and moved on he’s got big in the game and that cocky book come out in in in the in the early 90s when i’ve read it and then i bumped into him he was on the special unit without cole and i bumped into him at full sun and he come there i say help curtis and colleen’s brother david says i know you lad and all that other organ that been just dead good pulse since then good stuff good stuff but if super fit went down to that curtis did because he was a big unit one of me went down to super fit tech padded tennis badminton a lot super super fair lovely love the guy to bits and i hope he gets out soon mate because it’s wrong what they’ve done to that fella what did he do to him well they would get him another 10 for the for the proceeds of crime you he went to the phone asking about the price of weed and got about 13 years and if that ain’t enough they’ve asked for 200 million for a phone call and get him 10 year on top so what do you do every day of it so he’s trying to shake him down yeah shutting him down because he because because of all the media you know the portraying was the richest criminal in british history his billionaire and it’s killed someone in a in a dutch jail and he’s done this and just throw all at you and you know you get people who read it and they think because it’s been written by a reporter it’s got to be true but reporters just want views and clickbait exactly and the the famous chestnut they use is it’s off a source but when can’t disclose the source so you can’t challenge it you know yes the source went to disclose it and that’s the line they use yeah complete tosses but if they have a senior they like it they won’t dream of coming up help i’m the reporter i’m i’m this and i’m this i’ve had it all about it for decades so on your longest sentence then did you work your way down from the cafe no yeah what i like to say i went to i went from cat a and then i ended up at loudoun grange for the last six months and then at that this i i was i was deemed mapper three level three the the danger to the public so they said to me you can’t we can’t enter the city of nottingham you’re moving from a straight away get your kickback took me straight to woodhill and about a week later i was released and i was in a hostel called four at four plans in northampton right but there that’s where i swore and got recalled after about two months and to be fair i didn’t want to be in the hospital anyway probably i’m with my kids than that you shouldn’t do all your bird forward four-year-old and then you’re stuck in the house still with answers what was your plan as you getting nearer to your release i was planning on just just resuming what i do to get dog i’ll do a couple of bits of debt collecting here and there no no threats right just going to say look yo this dough mate are you going to get it weighed in get get paid get good dough out of it i’ve had a few good ins and it helps you live doesn’t it so no drugs i’m never selling drugs again don’t want to go near them don’t touch drugs did my drugs have a couple of pints now i’ve had two pies today and that’s the first plans i’ve had for three and a half months not even had one yeah i’ve just stayed off it all and all these books then with all these legendary stories is there any other stories that you need to put to rest hmm well there’s there’s obviously one about me brother being a grass i’ve i’ve covered that um been being announced for shagging a 19 year old you know but there’s loads of stories one point to rest they’re all they’re all in their books but i mean i’ve got i’ve got things in here but what’s possible is there’s stuff in your notes that colleen wants us to go over yeah let’s have a look i mean i’ve done that i’ve done that crackhead copper idiot no one’s ever seen that man in his lives you know and bearing in mind he claims he’s infiltrated and got us all locked up was locked up by lincolnshire police no to doing nottingham holly’s never been nick for drugs in his life ass wasn’t there something going on with lincolnshire police versus not incomplete yeah what they’ve done um they got a telegram come through from nottingham she did from lincoln no joan stirland apparently had telephoned the the covering officer who dealt with them right who had a movie right phoned him said we’ve had a prowler in the garden and and the fella says right we’ll send an email to such-and-such lincolnshire they’ll come and see you in the next hour but it took him two days and when they come obviously there was deceased person but surrenders horrendous mate but then there was all at war over it see with colin right it was it was on it was on the trial he’s got another nine year nine year three month three months right for a police corruption with with the copper who worked at lyme is and all that right he got that but what he done he went to court sacked all his legal team and said look i’m doing a 35 rep for you trial off and said take me back to the nick so he got talked about the timing and never went again we got nine year three month on top of the 35 wreck right but on there with with them that wanker calling him aggressive that that is the time to say he was a police informant and this is how he was getting information on that but never got mentioned you know because it’s never happened and that’s a horrible thing about it it’s just to make him look a but he’s absolutely his fuming colonies and there’s that paper in nottingham um he wrote to them they took everything down off the internet this has all come from fellstrom he’s given the information print this story on colleen gunn so the print of the story anyway i’ve gone and seen him i said let me outrageous here paul i said there’s no foundation to this i’ve shown them all the paperwork so you know say it’s come off cold fell strong david said don’t believe the word the man says isn’t that in that junkie and all that but but anyway they took it all down and apologized wrote him a written apology out says but there’s lot there’s lots of things but they just wind you up don’t they wind you up mate yeah and then there’s this bird there’s a who who try to claim he’s told her things like fault something won’t talk to nobody won’t even talk to my mates yeah talk to people yeah you won’t talk to nobody especially about business her business got mentioned i mean now and again he had a line of gear but it was on steroids yeah you know maniac but down again he had a line and he’d come in the boozer and then did off because he didn’t want to be around us because that was all all out of it and all buzzing and you don’t like to see laughter and people enjoying themselves he just said solomon screw face and i’ll bang one of these and i’m off and the off yeah so how many siblings do you have i’ve got there’s me colin my sister julie obviously jamie’s mother and my young brother andrew who got kept clean out of it said you’re not getting involved me not getting involved in our life what does andrew think about all this great great because if he if he ever got neat for summer i’d have to swallow it and say i did it because i’m not my man with a good bomb he’s my young brother i mean he’s 50 but he’s still me baby did you get me and we kept him out of he’s got his own business tarmacking and dropping curbs and all that he does really well bless him proud of him to be fair and he stayed straight out of it how’s your mum coping with colin doing all day so it she swallowed it now mate but it’s difficult is it because she’s 79 millimeters so it’s very very very difficult but before she dies she wants this appeal to come through yeah and this is what i was saying about the the qc and what he’s done with the with the main witness corrupts his fault yeah and does she go visit him yeah regular yeah she’ll go once a month and the lads will go up like now i can visit him now because i finished my license i’ve had a gps tracker on for 20 months where they’ve been following me without following me so and it’s bit obviously bold so they can hear what you’re saying than that all right so dave has got a ton of stories we’re hoping to develop a book with him and get him back on at some point let us know in the comments if you would like to see a part two because you’re so much more but for legal reasons we can only cover so much at this point you know if you’ve sat here for this 90 minutes and watched it with us i think you can comprehend the magnitude of the story you know um the media realm of certain things but other things you know i’ve been very dramatic i’ll just leave it at that so there’s lots more to come and obviously there’s an important lesson here for the young people no matter how smart you think you are if you’ve got gangsteritis you might make some quick cash but the feds i’ve got all the technology in the world i can’t believe these kids they just think disappearing messages is going to protect them from getting busted these young generation of dealers they could go in and retrieve everything they had i flew people from england and put money in their names thinking i was smarter than the cops the department of justice had a net bus trojan horse virus in my computer seized everything there was arrested so yeah they’re always the police might be slow at first on you and you think you’re getting away with it but they’ve got all the resources in evidence they’re only slow because they ain’t got it yet but they’ll get after you’ve rang him yeah it’s a big conspiracy then so children keep away from it lads don’t make the mistake me and my brother made me i’m lucky i’ll beat the murder trial my brother’s doing a 35 wreck and it’s a death sentence lads so no need for it mate honestly even if one of you don’t do it we’ve accomplished somewhere aren’t we so keep away people watching these videos dave quite often they want to reach out to the guest um are you on socials or anything i don’t do social media mate um [Music] i don’t i don’t do each one but unless unless someone wants to have a chat with me i don’t mind having to chat with him they can phone you and you can ring me i’ll i’ll ring them not probably so contact our social media um platforms if you want to get ahold of dave and then we’ll forward your message to dave and he’ll you know decide what to do about that so yeah let us know in the comments what you thought about this um amazing massive story good to see dave smiling and once again he’s in such good shape after everything he’s been through six days in the coma and everything else so yeah huge thank you coming up brilliant and i’ve got to make put a few people straight and there’s no bullets on it i mean people believe what you want to believe but i don’t tell lies this is how it is the rest of bollocks not not me so that’s that thank you and i’ll see you all again no doubt all right cheers take care of that take care all year cheers thanks bye-bye
Nottingham Forest History Podcast Hodge #nffc
steve hodge was a great midfielder for forest and for england he’ll tell you all about his nottingham forest career in part one next [Music] i wanted to talk to you about your forest career as well which was obviously in the big league uh at the time although obviously the first division um obviously being a forest fan how much of a dream was it to start with being at the club you know you used to go and stand on the trent end i seem to remember you you’re saying oh was it okay right but in the european days didn’t you you were watching the european cup team i’m older than that robin right and the 59 cup finally 7172 was my first year oh wow okay i was like eight or nine and i go in the old east and uh with the little with my dad and my granddad and one two family members and a little stall so i could sit on stand on the stall and see over the top uh i thought in the first year uh i think he’s story moore’s playing that era with duncan mckenzie a guy called jim barron was the goalkeeper like with john bill winfield was a left-back and foreign pretty poor that year to be fair i mean i wasn’t an expert i was eight nine but i loved it i loved everything you know we went to every every home game um so yeah i mean i just love i mean in those days the east and also yeah the away fans behind you high above you so you know you said some days when they white boyfriends were noisy like man city or my new fans were right behind you which was a bit a bit scary at times to be if ever you got a full house um but you know it was it was as a kid in the early 70s it was it was fantastic it was like proper football it was like the lights were on it was we used to go walk across the the bridge to not scan his ground to walk across that bridge where there’s a freaking go across on the car now near the lady bay that was just cobbled stone he used to walk across it you just run down and derelict um so that was a routine we used to park down dale side road and walk across the bridge down the steps to the back of the trenton and then go left towards the old east stand um which was not a great stand here everyone stood around you because the smell of hot dogs but when you see today’s football and today’s facilities and what they’ve got nowadays it’s another world but that’s the way it should be people have moved forward but for you to then be in the first team if you like having kind of gone through that as a a kid was that kind of pinch yourself type type moment that you could almost stand there and see yourself watching on well um i think when you get obviously i was 12 when i spotted by a forest in kind of because i went i used to get to all the in the holidays too all the clubs like west brom birmingham and villa and arsenal on trial not scotty because you know academies in those days so you have to go on school holidays to these places play against all the kids from ireland and wales and geordies and southerners and just a mix of players playing together which is not easy because you don’t know anybody you used to get to say go to forest um the main stand and you’d walk into the kind of main you know the home teams waiting restaurant room and you’d sit down and they’d be a kitty right from i don’t know birmingham you just say hello and you’d know why it was the days also on trial and it was so difficult for kids just thrown together into a room to say you’re playing for yellow team today your number seven where do you play right back you play right about now you play there on your go and then like you talk down you know they kind of trent to the training ground and just go and play a trial game with people you just didn’t know and you know and what you do is people try and show off because it’s a trial match and you’re not bothered about johnny from birmingham it’s like me and you know this is what i can do and the flair plays tended to stand out the bigger players centered because they’re bigger and could boss people like me around because i was smaller so the trial games were difficult you know and it was you know i go and play a trial game at mountain news training ground at the cliff and with england school boys and think well what am i doing here and because you know i got spotted at south knots by a scout down here and sent me for a week to man united and i was playing the school boys and you know i held my own and that but i didn’t know them and you know they were like being they were being scouted and they’ve been given contracts by manu in those days when you were 14 15 they could offer you two years apprenticeship and two years professional or year professional terms when you were 14. so if you’re really good feel really good they offer you two years apprenticeship two years professional on decent money when you were 14 so that means you were you were something special um so yeah trialing was difficult and it came down to eventually would you believe that in about 70 1974 five uh i’ve been trying at derby a lot at range way and trialing at forest a lot and and derby were very very keen i met dave mckay before a game i think his parents went to a darby with all due respect oh that’s the other end of the career yeah yeah i got to like you know they were they were really cute and they were like a top team then they were first division champions i remember training at orangeway one day and walking past my hero as a kid with a guy called francis lee i loved him playing for england man city lad and roy mcfarland was walking by me and colin todd was walking by me and she came on and these are first of all in champions and i was like 15 year old kid on trial there a place called rangeway the little training ground i had and that was like well that’s like you know that was that was not a bit of a pinch yourself moment because these guys were superstars you know roy mcfarland was playing for england and he was a superstar um charlie george was there i remember him being there as well at the time would clough still be there no he just moved i think he’s just boys at brighton i think he was in brighton at the time in between derby and forrest or lisa it’s going you know that era yeah um but obviously at the same time with a dog i was first a lot as well as training i was training there twice a week at night sometimes and try again they and they were very keen and then brian clough arrived thinking it was it january 75 something like that um and i used to go to these on school holidays again playing games and he you’d walk by him and just keep your head down and you know he might say hello son or whatever um but then they made the mind up they i learned here was the head end of the youth they wanted to sign me and i got offered forms and uh you know it wasn’t a hard decision but you know you think you’ve got all the options around if you if you need it but um once they said yeah we’d like to give you um an associated scoreboy forms um and an apprenticeship uh which was like a two-year you know caught like a two-year contract um then it was it was easy to be fair i remember signing a contract um it was the day that knotts county were in town and they beat forest um to nila at forest and before the game i went in the office with brian cloth and my parents went in with him and at the same time chris woods walked in with his parents he was a bit older than me and we had some lots of champagne together because he was finding professional forms or whatever and i was signing he was signing apprenticeship forms and i was signing especially schoolboy forms but i knew anyway i got an apprenticeship already lined up that was already done um i’ve never seen chris before so and i remember talking about his dad was a farmer i remember that and cluffy was you know calling it my mum pet and calling me dad brian it was like blank cloth you know you’ve been very personable today and really not the right club you think you’re gonna meet really really gushing um because you were joining his football club and he appreciated that fact and he was then at the at that time making his way back he was done then a failure at leeds and brighton in effect um so yeah that was a special day to be fair and so we got beat by knotts county that day but that for me was the start of the journey really um and you say two years as an apprentice was enjoyable you know with a guy called calvin plummer in my year the year below me was chris faircloth uh not seeing a lot majority of not even loud we had two or three geordies came down a couple from ireland but majority but not even lads had a great laugh enjoyed the youth team we were a good youth team you know cleaning the boots of john robertson every day in peter shelton’s boots every day and doing the communal baths and sweeping the floors and you know i remember my first day the first thing i ever did at forest as an apprentice on 16 pound a week was lima kane saying to me go and clean the toilets out i remember that was my face did you do it thank you of course that’s my role yeah that my job was a home team dressing room toilets big bath and to get peter’s shield i had four to get rid of to get every day peter kenny burns larry lloyd and john robinson i was there boot boy so every day i’d go in before they got there get all their towels out all the kit in the middle of the towel put it out put the boots out uh put the whatever they wanted out you know shooting had four pairs of gloves or three pairs of nike boots um sorry puma boots um and that was all for two years to be fair and when we had a great laugh we thoroughly enjoyed it and even then you know i joined in 79 when they just won the european cup so as a young player looking to make your way in the game it ain’t the place to be really no these these are top players and they’ve just found the pinnacle so that was a tricky one really you know you’re thinking well you know as i did to be fair to this day when i first made it got to be a footballer hoping to have a career as a footballer whether it be with all due respect at mansfield town in league two or a team in league one just to survive and have the career and be a footballer it was was all all those apprentices were trying to get to um so the things about you know getting for his first team and from my point of view what happened afterwards wasn’t on the radar it truly wasn’t on the radar nowhere near i’d always been the smallest player the youngest player probably in my age um stuck on the left wing you know a bit of a really loud at 17 really um i made my debut late as well i was always playing catch up along the way really always blinding lads always got in before me they were normally you know the i think they’re more mature as a as a person than i was at 17 18 so i think that helped him get in earlier so yeah so that that two years to that two years if i grew up quickly that two years i was around you know i was around experienced first-team european cup winners who at times made life hard for you you know and at times weren’t nice and at times put you in your place and it was totally embarrassing and you couldn’t say a word back he wouldn’t dare say a word back to one of the senior pros who won the european cup and whereas nowadays that wouldn’t help me see nowadays the academy is separate they they they are not given i think they’re giving stern talkies tonight again but they’re not giving negativity a lot or they’re not belittled at all whereas you know they it was that way you know the senior pros had earned their stripes and they wanted to put you down in one fell swoop in front of everybody else in the first team changing room they would do and they did and you’d walk out they tell between your legs and it and it hurts some days yeah so about two years for me was growing up learning the workplace environment in a football club with some big hitters in it um but i look back you know back on it now fondly because i did enjoy it even though there’s some tough moments and we had a great camaraderie because i think you’re on the same boat you’re thinking this is tough but i want to be here um so let’s just get through it together and then come saturday night you’re in town and you’re getting legless as we did awesome so that two years before you made your debut final game of the season didn’t you at ipswich and then you were pretty much first team regular from from that point on you probably didn’t realize it you know back into that season but following season your first team regular so i wonder if that kind of period of the apprenticeship and the the hard love if you like kind of made you grow up so much quicker that you became a first-team regular and could handle everything that comes with that probably it probably helped to be fair yeah i mean i was helped by the fact that um that season when i did get in right at the end you know i’ve been in the reserves i played pretty well that year on the left wing in the reserve pete davenport’s up front in the reserves but i’d seen colin washington stewart gray and calvin plummer and chris farrell small easter gray there’s a few more got in before me into the first team um so i was wondering to be fair what you know if i mean the end of that season i was out of contract so it got to probably march april and i’ve been in the reserves at the end done all right i was thinking well i might have to move on i will be moving on this summer because there’s no talk about a contract you know and i was 19 out of contract not playing the first team a load of kids before me had gone in before me some younger than me so it was it was a concerning and a worrying time that i thought i’d been moving on i had a bring me from scumbag united saying if you get released scum thought will take you on next year they were then a league two team so i said you know i’ll bear that in mind thanks very much um but yeah the tough two years when i did get in um i’ve been around senior pros obviously for two or three years the likes of him bowie and viv anderson um and colleen todd would just say colin todd i was playing my first years with colin todd who had seen was that derby the kid walked by me that was quite weird that was playing within three or four years later in the first team of forest uh didn’t he come he come and capture the reserves didn’t he or something for coffee is that right now he played for my first season he came from i think probably from derby or somewhere and something where it may have been he came for the he’s about 36 and he fit as a fiddle um and everyone knew about colin todd pay for england great play um so he was there my first season he was brilliant if they played in the whole season and then he retired but yeah those senior pros like viv and you know colin todd and kenny swain another one you know there were at times tough but also you know when i got in the first d and i was doing well in my first season that they were they were full of praise tempered with now and again bomber would dig you out about something just to remind you just to remind you that you know he’d done it all he’d won everything so you know and i was a good listener i didn’t listen to these senior pros because because you’d be a mug not to because they’ve done the course so they know what it takes um but yeah that i mean the first season was just like you say i got in i got in the back of the last game of the season and that’s i speak to people every now and again i’ll do a bit of speaking somewhere and you know people always say to me you know will cups or an fa cup or you know won the league at least but all these great great experiences and i say biggest game my career by a mile was may the 15th 1982 [Music] portland road road by absolute forget your world cups and all that malarkey that came afterwards that day my life changed for the better because if that day we got beat four now by a team that they that could have won the league that dates which if they won the liverpool lost there were champions that day it was a huge game for them if that day gone badly for me and we’d lost four nil i was playing as a striker i wasn’t a striker if that they gone badly i don’t get a contract and i must go and talk united probably that summer i said that’s how close my career came from going from one way to the other and it kind of people kind of think really yeah because the fall in monday we all got called in one by one see the manager and i think i went in about fifth at the end but the first four i knew walked out with tears in their eyes and we’re on the bike back to geordie land or wherever it might be and i got given a year’s contract white coffee i remember walking in and saying to me so not bad at the weekend young man for a non centre forward but young man well done i’m gonna offer you a one-year contract take it or leave it some people people laugh and i say that’s how it was he offered me a one-year contract a little bit more money take it and leave it and that was it and i snapped his hand off as you would do because the other say me and calvin plummer and my my ten lads eight got binned and being kelvin survived but if that they had gone badly ipswich and it could could easily on badly because they were a great team at that time um then the career can go all over the shop you just don’t know but that was that was a massive massive game for me it changed my career the next few years sorry the next few years you obviously at um pretty much a first-team regular under cluffy did how was your relationship with him were you ever was anybody ever close to him as a as a player were you friendly with him or were you always a little bit terrified of him um i was respectful of him we didn’t we didn’t always get on that well because i could have i could be stubborn at times and and if i felt wronged he knew he knew it he knew in my face i wouldn’t say it but i could be just i just wouldn’t be nice to him you know not i wouldn’t blank him but i just wasn’t friendly as i normally would be uh listen i had everything in my my career was because of brian clough so you know i could never say anything that was not tinged with the greatness of the man and he was a great great manager um yeah we didn’t always get on he liked me as a player um i saved him a few bob as i say i got in my last game along with pete davenport i think it was his fifth game because the club had spent a fortune on ian wallace peter ward and justin fashion and the club were bankrupt basically but and they had nowhere to go these players had all basically failed that’s why the kids got a chance so so when i got in did really well and probably surprised him about what i’ve done um he liked me as a player um and he liked the i mean he liked the way i played i played off the cuff sometimes i just ran around as he would say like a chicken sometimes and i had ian very alongside me just holding the fort and old stager um but from where i’ve been you know on the brink of being released you know and i always think it’s comfortable whenever he’s gone thought like this you’re going to leave i think he’s going to talk united you never know you know you never know what football to like it can go like that they’re at the league now but it’s probably all about always in the back of my mind that that that closeness how it came to possibly being released by advice back end of that season um so i played with the freedom i played with a kind of like joy of just being in the first team of forest where i used to watch them years ago and used to watch leave anderson win the european couple in bowie and you know a goalkeeper to affair that first year was a guy called hans van broyken who actually speak to these days what a goalkeeper absolutely what a goalkeeper and probably not revered in england but he texted me when foreign got up recently and i said i was at wembley and he was overjoyed that thrives to god up hands on rocklin um and people say to me keep you pay for it in your career i always say bye my people would think well pete peter you know peter’s last game for forrest was my first it was his last game he left as my first and for england really getting to play with peter he had nothing to do hardly normally had nothing to do the best keeper i ever played with was hans van brookland by an absolute country not country mar but by a distance in terms of forest and he went on to win the european championship with holland the champions league with psv and numerous leagues of ps3 is such an underrated goalkeeper not really known about these parts not even really from that era but look at his cd look at his career fantastic goalkeeper um great character uh the fans loved him vip was obviously still there what what a good player paul hart colin todd kenny swain uh bomber midfield such experience around me and then throw me into the equation young lad go play just go play go enjoy yourself you know i could always score goals i’ve done that as a kid in in school football i knew how to score a goal so i had free reign really just my first season on the left wing to my left was who else i’m testing you now no john robertson john robinson played my first season on the left wing so i buried alongside me and robertson on the left wing uh right-wing with steve wigley and then up front we got burtles back from man united with pete davenport so it was a really good team and let’s go i think i think i think i scored 10 goals that year i got player of the year in the first season got england and 20 i played for england under 21 that’s about seven games for forest we came fifth in the league qualifier for europe it was fantastic it was a fantastic living the dream it was it could have gone any better it couldn’t honestly from where it was a year before on the brink of being released a year later i was player of the year played for england and we were in europe again it’s to this day still i think wow yeah as you would because i was i was appreciative of what where i’ve been and where i got to because of the previous two or three years i’ve been through cleaning boots and all that stuff which they don’t do now can i bring you down to earth you know kind of maybe in a cloudy fashion i’ve let you kind of talk about england and the a word anderlecht which you know we traveled the country didn’t we for as you said probably six seven years together um yeah and the time i see you got really annoyed was when we talked about anderlecht and it it still annoys you yeah you did yeah you definitely did you definitely did i remember you used the line and i just thought that sums it up better than anything which was something like i lost a world cup uh game against argentina to a handball i lost two fa cup finals to own goals one with forrest one with tottenham i taught him in 87 but the thing that really annoyed me more than anything was anderlecht and the uefa cup semi-final so why was it and you did explain to me but tell everybody why was it that that annoyed you more than losing two fa cup finals in a world cup match against argentina because you know i’ve i’ve played in games where my team or i’ve bent the rules a little bit and tried to con the referee everyone does you know we see players from forester they will try and on the referee everyone does so you know the hand of god incident was wrong should never have happened everyone knows that but on a football pitch people do do we try and get over stuff and you know i i’ve been there i’ve got penalties when there weren’t penalties i remember diving once against brentford in an fa cup game or league cup game and being completely utterly not not caught by anybody but going down and referee give us a penalty so you know players accept that in a certain degree they’ll accept it that their own team might do the same thing and they’ll they’ll enjoy that little bit when it goes their way um so the hand of god thing was wrong yeah he got away with it and let’s see you can do about it referee didn’t see it linesman didn’t see it i didn’t see it so you know that happens it was all down to you anyway if you’d not knocked the ball back it would never have happened uh fa cut fine not top man a long time ago uh fa cup finals you know obviously desert’s own goal and gary madden’s own goal it happens you can be in a cup final like a one-off game you’ve just seen recently you know the week brandon johnson johnson an unbelievable week around johnson where he’s won a playoff final in two massive competitions both by an own goal just something going his way his team’s way and both those goals have been the great free kicks into good areas which caused defenders a problem so i’ve had two fa cup finals where really close games could have gone either way extra time and on the day you know it happens shin dez’s head and it’s not your day it’s not meant to be your day that day but anderlecht was completely different um in the fact that we had three days out there preparing players you know we’re ready for it we’ve done well at home i scored two in the first leg right at the end um at the trend ten two headers and we were good that year on the road we’ve been to celtic went to psv and won celtic and won uh uh eastern european team called four watts and one thing two nil um so on stern grass we drew on one so on the road we were really good um but they had really good players we knew that you know the office team played for belgium in their world cup two years later so there were top players young cooleymans enzo chiefer frankie for caltran irwin vandenberg top top players so you know toony was a good result it was a great result it was fair because cluffy’s thing on europe was lads tonight you’d say lads tonight and they pulled the defense into the toilets together yeah for some games european games especially it’d like say eulock we mean and the toilets area and you’re going to talk area and nobody else could go in there and then they’d come out a little later and we’d say what’s even saying say lads tonight nothing else nothing else apart from no goals against give me no goals against and i’m happy so that’s the back four’s decision that was their job that night we knew that to be fair so killing him was an unbelievable result against a team like that so you go out to anderlecht you prepared properly people fly out there on trains and boats and planes and the game started it was a horrible atmosphere it was it was a great stadium for um constant standard stock stadium i remember his name to this day the chairman yeah and we didn’t play well to be fair first off and then chico scored out the balloon it’s 2-1 it’s like it’s a quite a close ground and there’s no lots of noise and you know it’s getting tricky and then cliffy going the papers the day before talking about the referee being whatever it was he wasn’t sure at the referee i remember thinking don’t get on the referees back before the game kind of thing leave him alone but maybe he knew about things he got done by juventus when he’s at derby in a european cup game by a cheating referee so he’d been there before um so you know after about an hour they got a penalty because the guy called kenneth real his danish he just dived and kenny was right behind can he swing and he’s gone down and you see a replays now and the referee can’t wait to give the penalties it’s almost before the fell happens yeah he couldn’t wait it’s just like i don’t know their players could not have known i’m sure they didn’t know but he went down as as i’ve done before you know in certain games you just go down but he couldn’t wait to give it and he gave it um but he’s got a referee where you get close to him and you know we started to moan about things because we could sense things were going against us here and clothing was one for discipline and all that and it wouldn’t have anybody talking to a referee but it got to the point where after about an hour you know we were all at him and he’d go close to him and ask the question and say whatever you go shh go away go away guys what he got was that go go in a really he’s quite a tall man you know like a stern i think he’s spanish and he’d stare at you while he said it you just thought okay there’s no there’s absolutely no point talking to you you’re you’re not accepting anything we say there’s no change in your mind or there’s no getting around you you just don’t want to know so just tread carefully um and after about i think about 70 minutes i got booked and cluffy i think we’d seen my head was gone by then i was known about everything because we got free kicks and little things that didn’t matter in the game but every big decision everything was mattered mata went against us and after about i think about 75 he took me off before i got sent off so i sat on the bench watching the last 15 minutes and that’s when paul hart scored his goal from a corner after they got their third goal so they’re in front um and people say to me about what you remember about that goal i remember being on the bench and i remember as it was taken the free the corn was taken on its way in i remember hearing a clear whistle and you know obviously it was quite noisy but i had a clear whistle and the ball goes literally in into the box a second late and hearty heads in the corner and all our bench got up and i stayed where i was i didn’t move i’d heard a whistle i’d had a loud whistle immediately the kick was taken um the referee had done it straight away no matter what happens you know when that ball was on its way he blew his whistle straight away um just in case just in case and it was in case because it mattered on that occasion and you know obviously he’s blown and he didn’t give it and that was that he kind of blew the whistle i think a minute later um i remember hans van buren blasting the ball at him on the video trying to kick his knock his head off with a ball at the final whistle and missed him and then in the tunnel area there was there was lots of stuff going on in the players and but it wasn’t so much their players you know also the referee we were after but there’s no point you know you’re out so there’s no point but we had a courier like a uefa corey used to go around with us with every team every european game and he was an adjustment of the game and he’s he was just talking quite he’s actually a nice quiet you know i think he’s not i think he was from like germany sweden but great english and he said to coffee uh mr cluff i do but i do believe tonight you’ve got grounds for the complaint uh mr cloth i young man i’ve not complained in 20 years about a referee son and i’m not going to start tonight go away um so how did he maintain that i mean all the signs were there the referee on the night you know coffee before the game the decisions of the big decisions everyone that mattered went against us a toxic atmosphere the ua officials were saying what i saw was wrong tonight we knew something was wrong but you can’t prove it you can’t prove it in most cases you can’t prove it but in our case it was proven yeah i don’t know 15 years later it’s proven in belgium courts that it had been a long while in belgium that anderlecht i think one of the other teams have been buying referees um and that he got given 25 grand before that game to throw it their way so that was in some ways i was justified and happy that the truth had come out um but i did write to greg clarke about three two or three years ago when he was head of the fa and said i think at the time there’s something on the tv about it was a it was an era of when people in the olympics were being their medals have been taken away for drug offences and cheating another thing and i thought well people are getting upgraded middlewise yeah so i thought well you know i’ll ask the question i’ll speak to the top man and i got his email address and i wrote him a letter and i said i know you’re top of the you know you’re a fa man and you’re a leicester fan gone down the road and i said the things happening in the olympics and people being downgraded and i just feel that you should know that this is something that’s had a grind with me for many many years and nothing forest in particular that this happened probably obviously a long way before your watch but you know you are now ahead of the fa you are in contact with uefa and the hierarchy uefa and if you want to run right or wrong from many years ago then here’s a case i can explain the situation and i said in my for my situation i think that these have been proven to cheat in a court of law i don’t blame the players at all i blame the officials of anderlecht and their hierarchy and the and the the brokers in between who pass the money around and i think that at the end of it there should be an acceptance from anderlecht football club and an apology from them that we move forward forget about it but on the record box it should state that in that year nottingham forest would run us up in the uefa cup um and that’s where it should be because they cheated and they did cheat clearly in a court of law and i got a letter back saying i appreciate your letter i understand it’s a long time ago but still it’s still the grievance with you um and that’s where it ended really so i was just wanted to let the fa topman know that i haven’t forgot about it and you know you have to move on in football but it’s probably my last go at kind of having some because we’re not my united we’re not liverpool it’s not out there big time and even this scandal’s not really known about really but for those players that not pitching the fans who traveled that night and the the atmosphere and the the hurt on the way back and the sadness on the way back when we were totally wrong and it should have been in the fight against tottenham in the european final which i never got to in my career um yeah that one will always wrangle way above the other three you mentioned earlier on because you know you can get beat on a football pitch and it happens but to get cheated on the in a hotel room with 25 grand passing hands then um there should be some retribution there somewhere for anderlecht but they got a years ban which is totally overturned eventually by the european court of law so basically they got away with it scot-free and that will always rankle and that’s why in the car i got irate you did it was kind of because i didn’t as a you know a non-forest fan who’s come from the outside i was completely largely i knew something there was something in my mind about something wrong but to hear it from you on those those journeys um luckily we had like journeys to plymouth and places didn’t we so there’s plenty of time for you to tell them have you never done there is more to come from steve hodge in a moment need to thank my members of chipper’s club particularly the gold members who this week are danny moriarty william hutton nick hemphill aunt adam damian miles christian tonies james sorden henry the hero tiny media philip sheldon paul harrison thomas newton mark german alan francis david shelton mark davis s children paul metcalfe tim hayward richard waterhouse and ian russell thank you for continuing to be a gold member of chipper’s club if you want to sign up and get all the benefits the link is in the description below let’s get back to steve hodge you had that forest career we mentioned anderlecht but you left to go to villa now don’t worry i don’t want to talk about your time at aston villa which i know wasn’t the happiest but that leaving forest how difficult a decision was it for you if it was your decision and why why how did that all come about um it was it was obviously a bit difficult but i’d always been one to not want to be stale in a team and to progress my career and keep it going forward and the first two years have been great i said the first year was player of the year second year you ate the cup semi-final that year also won the uh the european on the 21 trophy with england which was last time they won it 1884. it would have been a great year um so that my third year was like just just crack on again and let’s try and get higher up the league whatever and uh johnny met hard arrive i remember coming to the training ground one day we were training this balder guy came tall man but i knew he was anyway could tell you see that he was like an athlete um and he was with i think he was with brian truffle at the time he arrived on the training pitch we were training he watched his train i remember walking back thinking of the trend thinking well where’s he gonna play then because he’s coming from real madrid so he ain’t on the bench is he very often so you know and it was like in the days when you had one sub i think or maybe two maximum so you’re thinking well if he’s if he’s playing every week which he will on bomber will play every week because he’s cub captain and he’s stalwart and he knows the game and he’s done he’s seen it so where’s it leave us all and it panned out that i played that season until the left wing but i’ve been in the youth team for you know two couple of years earlier on than that and i could play out then i could i could do a job out there um but i didn’t enjoy it you know like you get wide plays today you you see brandon johnson play he’ll float around a little bit go and play narrow sometimes and he’ll flip sides sometimes on the other side of the pitch and all that we couldn’t do that i’ve done the left wing and it’d be like up and down and up and down and up and down and support you fall back and then go and get in the box and then wasn’t the right wing being crossed get the back stick and they had the ball out and you get to sprint back straight away to help out your left back your your left back it was it was a boring role to have we called it the graveyard the players because everyone who played there it killed many a career because it’s just a physical output up and down the pitch so i played there i was thinking play the whole season that was in my career i had one season i played every at every start and that was the season so 42 start every game i scored 12 goals we came i think seventh in the league and it was a you know another decent season 17 league in the first division and i’ve done all right got a dozen goals and you know there’s some big highlights for a bit man united when mutual down i haven’t won three two uh much of the day but i didn’t enjoy the season i was bored playing left wing and being restricted and being made to do jobs which i could do and i did do and i had to do but just didn’t enjoy it the first two years remember with bomber it was just like i had freedom so i thought about it for a bit and i knew things you know i’ve been in the first in three years so i know teams will be in for me um so i asked for a transfer i think it’s about april of 85 and i thought about it for a while and you know it was it was a massive decision because i was i was leaving the football club where i was a regular and picked every week and scored goals and was still a good young player i think i was 23 by then 22 23. but i know i was you know it’s hard to imagine nowadays but one man ran the football club and one man knew everything about the football club and everything was geared towards what he knew what he wanted so i arranged a meeting with him i don’t know what you’re right i could never do what you’re about to do i don’t know i often tell this story people think really and i say yeah i was i was trying to think i was 22 and i had no agent there’s no agents in those days i was on my own um and it was not like today where the players like chris hewton that players want somebody out they’ll make sure they get the manager out they had all the power he obviously cluffy had all the power so you know it was looking back now it was it was brave it was um it was the right thing to do i thought at that time in my career to move it forward um but i look back now and think god you were taking a chance and i remember getting to his office about quarter to seven in the evening for a seven o’clock meeting and i think the door went back oh that was it it was quarter to seven and he got there about quarter past eight that’s what he was he made me sick he made me sit on me for about an hour and a quarter in the little four-year era outside of his office with his door shut but he wasn’t in there and he walked by me at court past day and i’ve been like sweating for an hour and all by then thinking what was going to happen because he did have your career and he i’d seen people get destroyed by him and putting the reserves for six months and their careers stunted or destroyed because he would he would hold a grudge so he walked past me went to his room door was still shut and then door went back and he kind of that was it was open you know it’s like come coming so i watched him and i sat down and he looked at me and he obviously knew what was coming because he had eyes and ears everywhere and looked at me and he went some swan did i say to you young man that you could walk into my office young man sit on my chair and i’m stood up i don’t think in what do i say and i said no gaffer and he went got some then piss off so like to turn around and walk out again and like go in the fourier area like a little corridor towards his office and then come right back around and knock on the door and he went who is it and he clearly knew it was and i went miguefa he went son come into my office son so i walked in as he would do i just stood there i wasn’t taking to see i just stood there like a lemon thinking right what’s gonna happen now anyway son have a seat in my office so then i sat down in his beloved chair if it was next to a wedding boss anyway so what can i do for a young man i went well blah blah blah gaffer i’ve been here three years left wing blah blah blah i’d like a transfer and he went oh son you want to transfer from my football club young man son i’ll need it in writing young man and it was it was in the pocket i was all ready for him prepared so i got it out and just like gave it to him and he opened me up and he read it with his bins on and he just read it and then i kind of got up thinking i need to go now so i kind of went walking out and he went whoa whoa whoa whoa so where you going i’m getting off and i went oh no i’m so hang on a minute son i want someone hang on and he went from now on some at my football club whatever happens to you son nearly stressed even whatever happens to you son is because of this letter son do you understand that young man and i went yes gaffer anyways good son now piss off and i walked out i walked out really quickly as quick as i could i know i remember walking by poor heart he was there i don’t know why paul’s in next or whatever his wife and i know that nodded quickly and then i got in my car and i remember getting to my car and i remember my hands my hands were shaking my hands have gone high i just put my hand under kind of the steering wheel my hands are shaking and you know people laugh and think you know you weren’t that bad but seriously i had an hour and a half waiting for that to happen and i knew what i was going to do i spent transfer out of his football club and he weren’t going to be very happy about it and he made me suffer for an hour and a half and then had about 10 minutes of being belittled completely and then i walked out and it was a monday night that i won’t forget but it was the right thing to do but i was on my own i had no agent you had to do it yourself suck it see what happened but yeah it wasn’t pleasant so did you walk out thinking he’s given me a transfer or he’s going to allow this to happen or or did you just not know that was the april you see so i got it in before right it was three games to go and we played last games at tottenham away and we were in the hotel i mean i think it was uh at south bends so we used to stay having a pre-match meal and then in walk neil webb with his misses it was then at portsmouth aaron thinking [Laughter] [Applause] and he’s here next season and he was he brought in he wasn’t he’s like he was put in a room like a table i think with his dad or his mum at the time as well with the club they had a meal on their own we were playing that night against tottenham last game of the season um and we played that game and then they went on a pre-ended season you know a close season wherever he went but that was i knew i knew he was here where we retired he was he was he was he’s in the way in and i assumed to take my place so that’s what i assumed that was going to happen i mean funny enough i’ve been offered i’ve been offered in the january time we played somebody i think the january 85 before my transfer request it pulled me on the on the coach after a game and nobody was there and said to me i think i should be played at qpr and he said to me would you go and play for qpr because they want to sign you young man and i said i might be where i am to be honest with you i don’t i don’t qp i don’t have interest in me whatsoever at the moment anyway son i just thought i’d let you know that there’s interest there and that they are in for you and that was out the blue in the january before april asking for a transfer so i don’t know what is it it was it was offering me around because the club was skinned because of the three lads who’d failed the big strikers but that came out in the blue and i was a bit unsettled by that that the fact that he’d come to me openly and said not thinking of selling yet but i’m letting you know that there’s interest there and i might be thinking of selling you so that probably helped me make my decision eventually at the end of that season to go in and say well i know that you’ve mentioned about a transfer already so if you think in that way anyway then after the season that i’ve had you know not really enjoyed it felt like it was the right time maybe for both of us that you know he’d be not happy i was going but financially it made sense for the club because we were going to games after games or away games and pre-matching after the match we were getting given a flask each with soup in it and a and a cobb or a roll pre-match going to a weight game going to man united or hybrid with with a cob and a flask of soup each which was embarrassing we weren’t even having pretty much meals we were going to games with the super nerol you know which was which was nothing foreign before that and now the team having no pretty much meal i mean super nerol it was embarrassing the club was skinned so i think me and pete damper the two that they could sell at the time pete davenport eventually wanted away anyway and it probably made sense end of that season that i wasn’t enjoying the football he wanted money uh webby came in and the funny thing was i was still there for the start of the season we did pre-season i think went to sweden pre-season and then pc just arrived within butterworth from corn tree and i played the first two games of that season which was looting away in the plastic pitch and then chef wednesday and was a drab nil-nil draw when i got caught offside oh god i don’t know how many times they played a high line it was how wilkinson playing a high line defensive football and it was awful i can remember that game walking in behind coffee and and howard howard in front obviously i know how it well um but the game was terrible i remember i’ve been i was bored in the game i mean i was running offside stupidly too often i was young lads still um the clothing and what just be around behind howard on the way to the uh changing room after the game ended in a boring nil nil and as howard went left towards the waiting changing room because he came in i mean only shouting howard howard you’ll get the game done away with tom that was crap [Laughter] because you know coffee was the purist wanted a romantic beautiful game of football howard was the strategic manipulator of his of his armed forces defensively and you know he could seem to get an illness anyway he wanted and that their two minds did not meet uh i’m not maybe an awful game to play in um but the following day or falling i think the day off the following day and on the friday came in and it was about 10 to 10 and coffee walked by me went graham turner’s in my office he’s coming to meet you this morning from aston villa manager go and speak to him now and i was preparing for the game the following day at home to southampton i think it was or sunderland so that was taken completely out the blue even though i had phone calls from the guy from called mr smith from aston villa saying if you become available we’d like to know kind of thing so i knew they were knocking around but but for turning to be there that morning i had no idea so i didn’t train that morning i went to meet graham turner he was dead friendly really nice fella um and i went to meet doug ellis that afternoon uh body more heath um he bought his rolls royce for me would you believe he should have been right around body more he thinks rolls royce and you’ve been on the couch with a with a cobb and a glass of a cup of soup before yeah this guy was seriously wealthy um but he was nice and you know it was aston villa and and kind of like the european cup two years before that or three before that’s a huge football club um but obviously i was i was i was sad to go i remember getting my boots i went to collect my boots from the boot room um on that that friday night i went back about seven at night i think guy called chaz ralph was the caretaker groundswell at the time i had to ring up chas and say can you in the boot room for me up chest tonight i’m back from birmingham um and i’m moving on and i remember getting my boots in the room and having a tear in my eye thinking this is how it’s supposed to end with a tear in my eye taking my boots away nobody here and you walk out the door and that’s it done but that’s football no sense of mentality what the team moves on webby moves in you move on and you get with your career and if you if that was it that would all make complete sense everything you’ve said you know i moved on i went to play for aston villa and then top them and won the league with leeds and had a spell at derby but we try and gloss over that um desperate completely desperate i was at leeds nobody wanted me and roy mcfarland to be fair to him rang me and said you want to come play for us i said i need to get playing somewhere i gave 10 games that’s all i’ve given and then i got out as soon as i could my thanks to steve hodge for his time keep an eye on the channel there is much more to come from him about his forest career if you want to see more right now you can watch brian laws talking about his time at forest 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you’re listening to garibaldi red an ocean forest podcast brought to you by nottinghamshire live [Music] hello welcome to gary baldwin as we look forward to the agonizing but hopefully joyous end of the season there’s nothing for us to go into the playoffs where they’ll take on sheffield united after that one more draw with paul on saturday so to preview that big uh two-legged tie against the blades we’re joined first of all by red’s legend gary bertolt so gary you well yeah good morning fine thank you you yes good thank you not too bad at all and our second guest today is forest fan michael temple low time to you okay good morning matt good to see you yes you too good to see you both gents um so i must admit my heart sank when it wasn’t loosened and it was going to be sheffield united i’m absolutely traumatized by 2003 even now gary tell me i’ve got nothing to worry about and it’s all going to be okay you’ve got nothing to worry about it’s going to be okay we’re going to beat them good they don’t want to nobody wants to play us believe me yeah it’s looting we saw what happened at luton that tight little pitch that didn’t suit our you know style of play yeah we got done by refereeing mistakes again but uh they had a bad one themselves as well um the only thing was apparently they’ve got a load of injury problems looting so i’ve been told so it would have been maybe a good time to play them but with your weight leg first sheffield united know that they have got to go for it and they also know that if they go for it we could punish them massively with our pace and where the goals come from we’ve got so many players now who can chip in with goals and make a difference i don’t think we’ll go defensively i just think we’ll go as we normally play why shouldn’t we you know it’s worked perfectly well all the way through why change it now and i would think the trepidation will be with sheffield united more than more than us without a doubt what’s your take on it thames were you would you have wanted luton more deep down or does this feel like a tie for us so pretty well set up for yeah gary’s right it should be about us rather than the opposition if we we play as we have been we can we can beat anybody i think luton would would have been the easier tie just because their spoiling tactics with that tv audience that many people watching that much of an important game i think could have played into our hands we would have been looking to play football and they have that physical brand don’t they and try to try to rough teams up a bit so i think i think we could have dealt with that quite comfortably over two legs and chef united will be a tougher tie but we’re favorites for a reason and that’s because of the form we’ve showed since steve cooper arrived so no fear um but yeah to your point who would i have rather have played luton for sure me too me too right we’ll get into more about that time a bit we should reflect on the whole game the final game of the regular season finish a 1-1 draw um team section i’ll just we had a big debate me temps and greg on the last podcast about how we thought forrest would go in the end they went with this team sambert warrell figuerado a debut for young panzo lorea kafu ghana lolly zinkenegle myton and silva a lot of changes there gary i mean who can doubt steve cooper in terms of what he’s done this season but would you have gone a bit stronger or do you think he’s done the right thing there no i was delighted when i saw the team sheet um because we’re right the precipice with strikers aren’t we um and you don’t want to get your key players injured uh it’s no disrespect to the hall whatsoever i mean they got walloped the week before so they didn’t want that to happen so it’s going to be a difficult game i would have thought anyway for pride for them after the previous weekend so i think he got it spot on um you know we should have won it they equalized we scored an injury time they scored an injury time um but that’s the way it goes you know football’s a very unpredictable sport we know that and uh you just got to take what comes and at least now we’ve got you know a fit surge you know we’ve got brennan johnson we’ve got jet spence because middlesbrough gets in there they got battered by preston so yeah i think apart from the win it all went according to plan yeah i mean that’s my big worry was you play brennan or jed and they’re young athletes one of them pulls a hamstring in a sprint and that’s them done i felt cooper did the right thing what about you yeah he did the right thing he he did what he said he was going through didn’t he in his pre-match conference when he said some of these boys need rhythm want to carry on playing and there’s a few walking wounded who needed a weekend on the sidelines so i i think he got it right probably asked everybody if they wanted to play um took some insight from the the medical team um and where those that were perhaps on the cusp told him they fancied playing but they were you know managing a knock i’d probably include surge in that and that number um he made he made the sensible call so good to get a few minutes into the um that the players that had the opportunity but i think it did highlight how much stronger we are when he names his best 11 without any kind of fitness fitness issues because a few looked a bit undercooked i thought might have looked a bit undercooked silver we were a little bit blunt up front in the in the first half but then others panzo looked very assured the rear is an exciting prospect um in in possession um so yeah he got it he got it right and it was nice to have that that you know weekend where he had the luxury of making those decisions yeah i want to come back to panzer and lorraine i just want to come to you first gary about this lack of attacking depth i might suppose my concern now is if sam suraj isn’t having a good game as we saw at bournemouth perhaps second half there’s no keenan davis or lewis grabbing to bring on as it stands maybe davis gets back you never know with forrest injuries this season but does that worry you a bit against a team at sheffield united uh not particularly because i watch surge very very closely every time i i watch him and see what he does and it’s not just his finishing capabilities it’s his movement that causes problems for defenders as well uh and he’s his appetite to close things down and try and stop them playing out from the back that allows midfield to push up a couple of yards that allows the back three or five to push up even more and that makes it more comfortable and makes it more um problematic for the opposition so i’ve not got a problem with um whether he plays well or not strikers sometimes don’t the beholdens to support from elsewhere and if they’re not getting that support you can’t blame them but he’s he’s an honest lad he he won’t shirk the responsibility of doing the rest off the ball when he hasn’t got it or when he’s in a position to score maybe you know he’s uh he’s an honest lad uh he runs a line really well he doesn’t give defenders an opportunity to relax so you know as a striker i know sometimes you could not have the ball for 10 minutes or whatever but you know good strikers then react when it does come their way and he’s that sort of player for me i think since he got in the team and he got 90 minutes we’ve seen one of the best finishers in the championship you can say mitrovic but mitrovic is a different sort of striker some of the finishes you’ve seen from some surge have been absolutely sensational not just the ones in the roof of the net the little bits of movement you know for headers and things like that and little bits of adjustment in the box you know to maybe get an easier goal you know tapping maybe he’s not just a one-trick pony he’s got so many different facets to his game and i just love watching him play he’s the sort of player i love because i used to do that sort of thing i used to put you know all the hard work into trying to help others out and he’s exactly that he does exactly the same he’s a great team player and you know your teammates respect that when you can see a striker doing that when he’s not actually getting the chances coming his way um richard’s asking in the comments about keane and davis saying he’d try to fend away from brennan johnson any news when he could feature i think cooper’s doing press today uh monday as we record this so we might point out more but i think we’ve seen with forest on this season sometimes the player will appear on the bench from nowhere and that’d be welcome news if he is there on saturday in keenan’s case uh temps just going back to panzo an interesting player because he’s got this reputation have been a big big prospect who’s not really stuck anywhere it was his first appearance of forest after signing in january so quite a long wait i heard good things about many under 23s you said earlier you were quite impressed by what you saw yesterday’s very assured and he kind of fits that mold doesn’t he have a a defensive player who’s comfortable on the ball can find a pass isn’t just uh a hoof merchant because i think that the days of um forest being able to accommodate limited defenders have have gone we look to build from the back we like the ball into midfield uh often one on the center heart will stride out and try and create that overlap so it’s important that comes on the ball and i just thought he really was and i can see why he could fit into the the forest system if he was called upon uh more and more so yeah panzo looks a good prospect for me the fact he hasn’t had any minutes is just symptomatic of the fact that um cook warren mckenna have been bulletproof and in fairness as well figurido had a good game at the weekend and whenever he stepped up he looked very comfortable so i’m sure panzo’s knocked on the manager’s door but cooper’s had good reason to keep faith with the fellas that have got the shirts um but i think we’ll see more of him next season and i think it could hopefully be another one of those situations where it’s the right player at the right club of course so much depends on what league we’re operating i’m not sure he would knock on the manager’s door actually because if you can see people in your position doing nothing wrong and being absolutely brilliant then you’ve got no qualms you can’t think well i’m better than them well you can do if you want to but how can a manager change something that is probably the best in the championship you know how can you change that so i don’t think he’d probably be like that his agent may be telling him to do that um but i don’t think he’d want to do it off his own back because he can see it it’s stupid to say right you know i think i should be in the team when those three are doing so well um anyone else stand out for you thompson that doesn’t normally play uh not no i i thought martin and silva looked looked undercooked i think that was um to gary’s point earlier where uh the absence of davis uh grabber and suraj felt we are we are light up top because of that those those circumstances with injury so um no didn’t see enough from them to think they’re going to be uh you know decent prospects to improve the side in the in the playoffs la rea first start again wait a long time for it clearly he’s got some some pace he’s coming from the ball but he didn’t have the impact that jed spence has been having understandably so he’s more understand that players in the championship championship this season um so panzo was the one for me matt at the weekend the problem is when when you come into a situation like that where the team’s been pretty nailed on for quite a bit now but other than injuries it’s difficult then to expect too much from the players who come in because they’re not up to speed they’re not a spit you can do as much training as you like you can play for the under 23s as much as you like but you’re not up to spec for the championship you know because you’re just not you know even though you know everything’s better for players now they get more help more you know vitamins they get fitness trainers get everything you know there’s so many things going on to help players now it’s that 90 minutes on a saturday afternoon that you need on a regular basis if you don’t get that you can probably put it in for about an hour but there are going to be moments where you don’t look particularly good and you don’t look fit and that’s not their fault they can only come and play when they’re picked and when they’re told to go on and sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t so i i’ve got a problem with with that because i saw mike come on the other week and score that gold the tenacity showed when he you know he went through there to get that there are moments that he can do that again because he’s got that ability and they’ve all got that ability these players are coming in and every what 15 20 minutes to get and the game you know would help but there’s not much time left now obviously but i think you steve will be happy with what he saw at the weekend in certain areas from certain players who he thinks right okay that’s not bad that’s what i wanted to see in case you know we do get injury problems and we we need somebody to step in if you are making a change now gary with like 15 minutes to go and you need a goal is myton higher up the pecking order than lolly now because he’s got that bit of explosiveness that he can do yes without a doubt um that’s nothing against joe lolly because we know what joe lolly’s capable of you know when he’s at his best but you know when you want somebody with pace to upset somebody and you you might you might get a penalty you know that half yard that he goes past somebody just gets a topo you get bought down um you know i did a game um at i did wolves fee uh who did wolves be bright the other week and they had two penalties and one it was just because um the boy he played for liverpool up front what’s his name uh forget his name now he got bored down he was just looked an accident um come on tell me who it is at brighton lalana no striker did it was it what no it was it welbeck oh arsenal yeah yeah yeah yeah you know that that sort of you know incident his pace just took him away and there’s a collision it was definitely penalty and that’s what he could do because he has that ability just to be able to maybe go away half a yard quicker than somebody else and you know late in games you know that can that can turn a game on its head and um yeah he would be the top of my pack in order to to come on if needed we saw that on saturday in a different way didn’t we attempt with suraj to win that penalty i thought it was definitely a penalty i’ve only seen it on my phone and you saw the game in full really clever striker play wasn’t it to get ahead of huddleston and get his body in the way yeah i think he knew what he was doing um you know striker’s trick but it was it wasn’t a con he put his he’s put his uh foot in the right pla in the right place to grab it he’ll just straight away he’s giving it the old two fans in the air didn’t touch him boss but it looked to me on the um on the replay certainly that um suraj earned that earned that penalty but surge can’t be an impact player now we need that quality up top and we’ll learn a bit more as you say about the fitness of of keenan davis but he is going to be key in this playoff run if he’s not 100 or or can’t um you know give us give us 60 minutes and i think you’ve got to find a way to accommodate brennan johnson centrally and then that selection point around lolly and and mightin becomes really really key because i don’t think there’s any other shuffle in which forest can um maintain that the level of quality and have that quality finisher that they’re going to need in these in these games so i hope and pray that surges is fit and ready to start these games because that’s plan a um but you won’t see silver or mightn up top uh in these three games we’ve got remaining this season i i thought the interesting thing was a lot of foreign supporters were more excited that keenan davis was on the coach at bournemouth i think wasn’t he he went did he go down on the coach with the team to bournemouth yeah he might well have done i know i thought keenan davis was on the coach or whether it was hull i don’t know but uh yeah so hopefully that indicates there might be an opportunity you know to get him in there and uh his fitness levels are good you know he’s been out but he’s built up his fitness level so that won’t be a concern you can’t leave storage out for me you just cannot leave him out because of what he gives the team um the you know capacity to finish how he does is just uh you know absolutely staggering at times the quality he finds and when you’re a striker confidence is a major thing and when you’re a confident striker you know you back yourself so often and he was unlucky at bournemouth at the bar a lot of people said to me why did he use his right foot the same as the previous game it looked like the exactly replica of where he was the pace of the ball that came to him i thought he’s gonna hit this with his right foot and he didn’t hit it with his left and you know people were talking about that for quite a bit but uh you know he puts himself in the positions to do that he’s not frightened of missing and that that is major for a striker that you’re not frightened to miss if you’re trying to admit you don’t get the positions to to miss simple as i was guilty that a little bit when i was at man united um you know you’re thinking i don’t want to miss one and not very often but i can remember one against man city you know the worst game you could you know bottle it a little bit and uh you know i have my hands at once i think it was only the ones but i know how strikers feel when you know it’s not going their way and but he’s not like that he just keeps getting in there how can you tell it’s not going their way then from experience is it like you know you don’t go that extra yard to get into space is that kind of that you take an extra touch you know just try and make sure instead of having two touches or one touch you take another one to think right i’ve got to get this right and then the defender closes you down that’s why in training you play one touch two touch three touch because three touch that gives a defender time to close you down no problem at all then you go to two touch gets more difficult for a defender and then obviously one touch you take it straight away but the two touch is the important thing cliffy always said never make a good chance better but when you’re not playing particularly well it’s not going your way you try to do that you probably subconsciously you’re not trying to but you do and that extra touch gives the defender time to close you down so that’s why i love what surge does he you know he’s his confidence has grown dramatically and i just love watching him um quick word on the penalty that brennan took temps because i guess he’s on penalties now if it comes to in the in the playoffs good penalties run up makes me a little nervous this bit straight and then he jumps to the side but i think he’s giving himself enough options to put it anywhere in the goal now i’m confident he’s going to score yeah it’s coming he was going to score we spoke about this before but someone’s had a word with him about um that the penalty he chooses to take so whatever the runner do what he comes for with but side foot with power is the way to consistently score penalties and these penenkas or even lacing it uh make for good clips but if you want to be trusted to take five to ten penalties a year it’s got to be cipher with power and be able to pick your spot so there’s been a word in his ear no doubt he’s old man if not steve cooper telling him no more chips down the middle please because he has a mindset a calmness a maturity and you know technique he can strike a football um to be a very accomplished penalty taker now he’s got that silly chip down the middle out of his mind so yeah i i had confidence in brennan um and who knows how important penalty is going to be in the next few weeks oh god you’ve tempted it now oh he’s waiting he’s fainted best penalty for you gary like temp says low in the corner well i played with probably the second best penalty taker of all time leticia i think was probably the best but john robertson was magnificent um you know both corners both feet and he he just went for corners you know he didn’t miss a great deal and you just always had the confidence that he was going to score and the majority of the time he did so and it’s going to be heart and mouth stuff because we’re talking about the biggest couple of games in football you know the money that you get going to the premier league i mean that decision at bournemouth was an absolute disgrace what about var in the playoffs uh we haven’t i wasn’t on our questions for the show can i just can i just i i don’t get this this var right three games the um west brom games we’ll start with that the referee and the assistant gave the throw to west brom the fourth official gets involved and said no it was it was a forest it was west brom through yeah forest throw sorry yeah so that gets overturned swansea game the ball goes over the line the boy claws it back gets a red card then they say because it blah blah blah it was rescinded to a yellow so how can they look at that and the other one and then not look at the one at bournemouth i i don’t get how they can look at one incident and two incidents and change the mind and not look at another one when it’s clearly a massive decision it just baffles me my understanding of the goal and the reverse of the red card was that the um the goal review system the golan technology which is at the city ground did go off but the refs watch didn’t so the fourth official rightly said a goal had been scored at which point the ref rescinded it um because the handball was therefore out of play so i think they they got there on the end on that but for anybody you know casually watching and not having looked into the circumstances you would be completely baffled um by that reversible decision but they were using the technology correctly there apart from the fact that the ref watch failed but yeah look there’s there’s incidents and we always dwell on the ones which would have been in forest’s favor and that that bournemouth game being the extreme i mean exactly that guy at luton got sent off you know and that was wrong as well you know the the ref standard of refereeing i think is a disgrace at the moment i really do i’ve never seen it support so many talking points we’re talking more about refereeing points and assistant referees points than we are the football at the moment again i mean i think in the premier league the referees don’t ref it because var refs it now you know it’s it’s and you know i speak to you know nigel club and you know he said that some of the standards are refereeing you know it’s it’s not you know brilliant why don’t they have refresher courses or something like that and then the two of them go apologize to steve cooper after that’s the last thing i’d have wanted i wanted to punch him you know don’t come and knock on my door apologizing for goodness sake you know yes you’ve made a mistake i don’t want to hear it fine you know you could have cost us 150 million quid there you know simple as and it’s always we always get this the premier league referees come down and they always make the mistakes it’s it’s just ah overwhelmingly bad i think the reason i like it in these playoffs is just because of brennan johnson i really hope that if he gets pulled down in the box that they have the bottle to actually reverse the decision and give him a penalty because he’s really he should have had four three or four more and these had this easily easily so that’s certainly why i would welcome it and hopefully it does help forest uh like you say gary’s right about the standard refereeing it’s been appalling so hopefully there’s no no escape for them this time when it comes to getting decisions wrong just finishing off the whole game temps forest concedes literally from the kickoff freak goal is there anything i can do about that really you see that three or four times a season don’t you where a whipped cross meanders slowly at the speak and nobody touches it but the keeper can’t react because he he’s expecting contact the striker to have some kind of contact on that on that ball so um just right off the freak occurrence i don’t think anybody was really at fault but frustrating that we didn’t have the resilience to see the game out having taken her taking a late lead so um no i don’t think we could have done too much about about that if somebody had gone early and the striker touched it to the middle of the goal or the other post then that that’s uh that that’s a a bad mistake he he did what he needed to do and um yeah it procrastinated everybody no touch and it goes so disappointing but unavoidable uh question for you you can answer this one gary a question from greg uh how much of an impact will conceding a late game like they have on the mindset of the players going into the the playoffs does it make any difference at all during one one with hulk can see and then changes into sheffield not on iota it’s gone you can do nothing about it it’s finished you know we drew one or we would like to have won it you know we’re in a position to win it three goal comes along he can do nothing about it players don’t rest on things like that they’re just interested in what to do in the next game you know you can’t do anything defensively to do anything about that um if it’s a mistake defensively yes you can but it’s a flute goal and you know we’re in the playoffs anyway we rested a load of players and i think it just tells you how confident you know steve cooper and uh the players are about playing anybody you know nobody it’s just everybody’s been saying you know nobody wants the players if we just scored that first goal at bournemouth you know might have missed a penalty given but if we just scored that i think bournemouth would have gone i think their heads would have gone the confidence would have gone and we could have gone on to win that game you know by more but that situation that lifted them and you know the second half performance was very good from them so now i’ve got no qualms about going into the next game um you know people all people are talking about is previous playoffs well we’ve never got through to the final um we haven’t but that’s with different managers that’s with different players you know this group of players there’s a mixture of you know massive experience and you know inspirational youth sort of thing the mixture of the team at the moment is so good um and everybody you know trusts each other in that that squad to what they can do for their maximum at their peak and yeah there’s going to be mistakes made chad spence will go forward and he might lose it but you know the knowledge from him doing that is there’s always going to be somebody there to cover for him when he does that that’s why he does get forward as much as he does because he knows there’s always going to be help behind if he loses it and you know that that gives oppositions an awful headache and i just hope it gives them a headache again at the weekend yeah so first game saturday at bramall lane three o’clock and the return at the city ground tuesday night 7 45. how do you want them to go about it gary don’t play for a draw primal lane do you no i said that earlier i just don’t think there’s any point in doing that uh because you put yourself under pressure when you do that you just sit back and um you know we did that under chris hooton a little bit you know we’re one nil up you know would you go deep go deep you know defend defend the striker get isolated you never get out your own half and that that coventry game um this season early in the season when we’ll wander upward and they scored two in the last was it five minutes to beat us 2-1 and you know that was because we you know we defended you’ve lost your sound gary do you get called you’re back yeah from yeah nigel club phoned me sorry you punched him in pass him in yeah dropped him in yeah he’s just yeah i’m sorry it’s okay that’s okay um i’ll come back to you in a sec guys just wanted to go we’ll go to temps quickly forest abram or lane played very well didn’t win the game you know brennan missed that pounce which we discussed earlier then billy sharp scored how does that play into the psychology of either team do you think that forest played well there it was a good game and they showed attacking intent as well because i think i became a bit frustrated when we were coming up against the park in the bus or trying to spoil it a bit like luton so that chef united game a bit like the black bowing game with two teams wanting to play so no we won’t go up looking to part the bus um of course we’ll we’ll take a balanced approach it’s no bad thing to bring a draw back to the city ground but we’ll we’ll try to play um i i lived in sheffield last time we played that those um semi-finals there so i’m still haunted from uh from from that day but so much water under the bridge these boys won’t be aware of that game let alone um scarred by it so let’s just do our thing like make our own plan don’t worry about the opposition and do ourselves justice but you know i feel good about this there’s a good point in the comments actually matt about better to play chef united over two legs into faceman and one off in the final which i think’s um good analysis really if we were to face huddersfield or um luton at wembley we we’d really fancy that so this this may well be our final in a sense if we can get past chef united it opens up a bit and will be will be you know short price favorites so i like that logic um we’ve got the advantage of um finishing the tie at the at the city ground so let’s get ourselves through the weekend unscathed and then turn it on at home attempts makes a good point there gary i think about the way chef and i go about it they’re not going to part the bus like luton might have done to try and sneak a one-nil do you think that favors forest that chef united are going to come out and play and maybe leave space it’s got to i mean the looting game that that’s a one-off that’s a league game you know it’s not a two-legged affair so you can afford to do that in a league match but in a playoff semi-final two legs you’re at home first the onus is massively on you to to go out and be positive and sheffield united will know that if they’re over positive they could get absolutely taken apart at times it just depends on the quality we produce when we’ve got the opportunity to do that um so people are saying i wish it wasn’t home first you know if it was home first you know we could get a good lead you’re not guaranteed at home to get a good lead um i’d rather play the la weight leg first every day of the week um and i was in the playoffs with knotts county many years ago when i was there and we got knocked out by warsaw it’s one of the worst moments of a career because i think we were favourites to do it we’ve been in the top two all all season and we we blew it automatic and we had a very experienced side and uh you know being knocked out in that way is is not particularly good and um look steve will be he’s been so positive in everything he’s done since he’s come in everything that he’s done and i don’t think that’s going to change on saturday against sheffield united he’ll back that group of players to the hilt he’ll say right we’re better than them respect them that we always used to do with brian clough respect your opposition but don’t be scared of them and that’s the mantra he’ll give those players what’s the point in telling him to go out you know we’ll be careful in the first 20 minutes or whatever yes players know that automatically you know they’ve got to be they’ve got to start a game well the start the first 15 20 minutes to me is very important you know in any game but in a playoff game first leg you’ve got to do the basics well you’ve got to if you get the opportunity to do the other stuff which we’re excellent at them fine you do it and it comes natural to that group of players you know it it does it’s it’s staggering in the short space of time that you know the grass the nettle and they do that and it’s you know a lot of the things in football are instinctive you know people used to say to me well how did you do that on the pitch and i said i’ve got no idea you don’t as a player because it comes to you and you make your mind up in a split second what you’re going to do and we’ve got so many good players who do good things in split seconds we’ve got gone we’ve got zinc and argo we’ve got surreys we’ve got johnson you know we’ve got ryan yates you know they all make the decisions at the right moment and there’s no reason to see why that’ll stop in in that game and then if you you know you do go and get a decent result there then nobody wants to come to the city ground you know it’s the it’s just staggering you know how we’ve been and the atmosphere at the city ground sometimes it lifts but if we get you know any sort of victory they then have to come to us and and then go for it again which again will suit us so yeah first goal possibly important but first 20 minutes for me important do the basics well um an interesting point here for me and temps and the comments about the fa cup i mean obviously all the afa cup games are at home so it’s not really relevant to brahmalane but do you think the experience of those big games will help forest in the playoffs yeah it does because those games have been instilled and reinforced the fearlessness that steve cooper tried to coach into the team and now it’s become endemic within the team they went into those games not trying to avoid failure but trying to achieve success i think that’s a change of mindset amongst you know bottom room championship sides and those that are aspiring to be promoted you can’t die wondering you can’t go in there with any kind of negative mindset you’ve got to want to push push push take every free quick free kick quickly take that risk beat that man have that shot and that’s the mindset we’re all in forrester going into games now expecting to to win um being set up to be rapid on the counter attack to exploit pace to almost trick teams into thinking that there they can commit more men forward so we can get in down the sides it’s like so exciting to see and it’s a result of everybody buying into the the same plan and i think when you have a plan that succeeds against leicester city against arsenal against fulham it just reinforces the um the entire process so so yeah we’re a better side for those experiences matt for sure attempts even liverpool you have to include the liverpool game in that in that respect because they you know they were struggling against us they they brought four players on to make a difference because they were afraid of maybe getting beat so the you know that positive answer was still there in that game yeah it’s liverpool we respect you but you know we’re going to give it a go here and uh nobody i don’t think many people would have expected to be arsenal or liverpool but we got close to it against liverpool less than maybe would have been a better opportunity because our season has not been as good as you know normal um although that you know they did well in europe but yeah i just think the mindset he’s put into these players minds is just you know absolutely fantastic you know there seems no fear about doing or trying to make the right decision in the right area where these ties can be settled then gary in terms of mentality over quality key moments going your way what’s it going to come down to against sheffield united it can come down to little bits so look it matt can come down to anything in these sort of games you know it could be a fluke goal like we saw you know hulk hopefully it won’t be excuse me um it’s about you know taking your opportunities when they come your way making the right decisions in the final third you know the worry for me it’s not a worry for me the good thing about it for me is we’ve got probably three of the best defenders in the championship at the moment and uh you know the experience they give you you know is he’s going to be key i think um and just say to the you know the the creative players further up just going do your stuff you know just go on take it to the opposition do what you do best i’ll mute myself um temps just looking ahead uh in fact do you want to say any more words about the playoffs before we move on there’s anything else you want to add no we’ve said it let’s uh let’s move on and come back next week and talk about wembley i think the other thing i want to write just quickly um the fa youth cup final is this week i believe i’m just frantically checking my phone there so yes it is it’s on wednesday um gary that’s something that’s gonna it’s a great occasion for the club crazy amount of tickets sold over 50 000. great occasion for forrest and great occasion for those young men isn’t it it couldn’t be better could it i mean it just shows you the fantastic work that goes on behind the scenes that the training ground you know the academy uh you know it’s phenomenal the players that have been brought through that are still being produced and to get through to the final to play old trafford against manchester united that’s some feat maybe manchester united should play that team in the premier league actually it might be a little bit more beneficial to them but yeah i’ve got every admiration for the people who do everything that doesn’t always get noticed so much as it should do um but when they get when you get to a final you know they should get the accolades because you know they work on a daily basis with these young players and they’re instrumental in bringing them through difficult periods in their life um you know because of that when they come in they’ve been at the academy a long time then they get to an age where am i gonna make it am i not and you know it’s it’s not the easiest job in the world to get all that right and again you have to applaud what steve cooper has done regarding that about keep using that word embracing but that’s what he’s done he’s not it’s not just about the first team it’s about the whole football club you know he wants a whole football club to be successful he wants it to be successful for the fans for everybody you know it’s not he’s never been about him it’s about you know the history of the club um you know he wants to move it forward and uh he wants to bring young players through and that’s what’s happening at the moment and we sure will be very very happy and uh grateful that you know we’ve got somebody like him in charge yeah a good point from richard in the comments again uh five years ago i’m gonna believe this is right richard and not fat jackie on the spot i’m sure you’re very reliable five years ago six england internationals played in the youth cup final fosun sancho mount gerhy and hudson ledoy so it’s a forest have got a tough task but hopefully a couple of our own lads end up playing with that level and obviously dale taylor is already a full international and also good luck to the under-23s i should say they play their playoff final on first like friday second leg sunday the 23rd of may against stoke city no that’s wrong they play it on sunday the 15th of may and read this on my phone should be about prepared but good luck to them and another example of how things are going for the club um last things reese james also played in that cup final as well richard said last thing i want to talk about forest um linked with joe rothwell at blackburn good player uh free agent 27 bit of a ghana type player maybe that’s a bit of an indication like gary says ghana would probably walk into the man you team at the moment but temps i mean sensible kind of recruitment ghana is a very good championship player isn’t the anna free agent at 27. yeah i’d love that signing manu trainee played age groups for england which will probably attest his kind of technical ability um but yeah the the blackburn fans very much into him because of his box to box work rate and all-round all-round game um he’s already and that’s the fact that he he won’t be signing a new contract with uh with blackburn so seemingly it was against west brom for his signature at this moment in time but yeah i mean they have half an eye on on ghana potentially not being with us this year and it’s the type of signing that you feel could um work regardless of the league that we’re operating in but i think more importantly um evidence of having a positive transfer strategy for a 27 year old fella who’s proven at this level and has aspirations to play in the premier league um arriving on a free transfer potentially again just just seems to have um dane and steve cooper’s um hands all over it and this this kind of um recent uh flurry of transfers that whilst we may have questioned at the at the time have borne out to be really positive changes so yeah delighted by the individual and delighted that it shows uh further um progress in a transfer policy which has been really progressive and successful this season right uh before we leave it there gary before you go call nigel clark anything you want to add before we let you go any other business no just to reiterate what temps have just said you know preparation is paramount and you can guarantee that preparation has been made by steve and his his team uh and everybody at the club involved in uh you know recruitment for either scenario um you know whether it is premier league or whether we stay in the championship and that has always been one of the most important things to get right at any level that your preparation is right for the following season and uh you know i’ve got no worries about that either way but uh you know we’re going premier league right we will leave it there um thanks to everyone who watch along as ever and drop comments in as we stream live on facebook uh if you catch us on youtube do you like to subscribe and the same on itunes or any other platform i’m not sure what the plans are for the rest of the week whether we do one of these on friday saturday maybe after game or otherwise just come back monday so do uh keep tabs on the podcast feed gary thank you very much an absolute pleasure yes we’ll let you go and call nigel club thank you for just following nigel cluff off to speak to us and not disappear we do appreciate that temps no one famous called you did they join the game during the podcast no i was just going to mention that i scored yesterday my first for wooleton over 35 of the season so yeah nice to outscore gary bertolt’s for one weekend in the history of football at least thank you sir oh just yeah talking about nigel clough all the best of mansfield as well in the playoffs they play saturday as well in the playoffs their first leg they’ve got north america yeah they have well they must be broken after that bristol rovers scoring seven goals relegated i mean yeah but where mansfield were as well early in the season you know bottom three looking really grim you know the job nigel’s done has been you know fantastic to get them in there and uh you know breaking season records and things like that so let’s just hope he can pull it off as well yeah that’s football isn’t it i’ve shown through my phone yesterday one of my facebook friends used to work for forrest is a big northampton fan he was gutted the post below was bristol rovers goalkeeper i know from another job and he was celebrating the highs and lows of football and what it can do to you in the space of two facebook posts but yeah we shall leave it there thanks very much everyone and we shall catch you soon thank you for listening to garibaldi red and nottingham forest podcast if you enjoyed today’s episode then please let us know we love hearing your feedback we’ll be back soon with another episode thanks for listening [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause]