forest podcast brought to you by Nottinghamshire live [Music] hello world Sky I’ve already read 195 so I’ve slipped into the Premier League relegation Zone after two North defeat Aston Villa making it nine games without a win and with tough fixtures to come it’s kind of like an uphill task to say in the Premier League join me discuss the game the relegation picture and Steve Cooper’s future first of all is Greg Mitchell Greg how are you good yeah ready to okay Wide Awake you wide awake uh yeah I’m all right I’m all right I’ve been at a family party so happy 40th to my brother-in-law Ben went to his restaurant last night in Chester and had a few drinks and a bit to eat so I’m all right now though if it’s sweet yeah and a few drinks second guess today is former Reds midfielder Lewis mcgugan morning Lewis you well yeah yeah very well thank you good good good good happy Easter to everyone I said before we started recording I forgot it was a bank holiday so grateful to Greg and Lewis for giving up their time on their days off very much appreciated good to have you all with us Greg we’ll start with you what did you make of Saturday we were saying before we started recording it feels like the tide has turned a little bit in terms of atmosphere in the ground atmosphere online increasing number of calls for managers to go it feel like a pretty toxic day all right for you yeah it did it reminded me a bit of days of old when everything wasn’t perfect every week which we’ve got used to uh over the last season but yeah there’s only one way it can change isn’t there and it has to change quick and all these bad results will be forgotten if we we managed to start getting something but it was a shame on Saturday because we did show signs again we didn’t look like that team that can’t buy winning points and that was the most frustrating thing and you know walking out the ground it did feel different it felt different to the Leeds gain there’s a lot more heads down a lot more angry faces and a lot more questions obviously so it’s not a very nice time at the minute but I’m sure we can change it somewhere well I mean a lot of increasing number of people saying one way to change is to change the manager and we’ll get into the game uh obviously and break that down but I suppose the big question is Steve Cooper’s future evangelist marinak has put out his statement saying results have to improve immediately and they haven’t done so I guess it puts the spotlight back on and we saw increasing numbers of people online saying you’ve got to make the change now where do you stand on it Lewis you’re a coach yourself these days obviously a former player what do you think about Cooper’s future yeah I think it’s that that testing time really uh the the owner came out with the the statement uh and it depends how which way you look at the statement how you want to read it because even though he came out and said that he’s back in the management Stadium but he also kind of made a point of things have to change drastically very quickly uh I think along with that you look at a few of the other teams you look at Leeds you look at Everton you you look at they’ve had that kind of new manager bounce and they’ve got a few more results from that so that doesn’t help help Steve Cooper at all if I if I’m if I’m brutally honest I think that at the after the leads game I think that he probably the owner was seriously considering thinking about uh letting go Steve Cooper I also think they’re backing and the support from the fan base made him reconsider and that kind of coincides with the with the statement which is a bit like yes okay we’ll we’ll back him for now but things have to change drastically I think the other thing is like Fletch said Aaron fletch’s on our last podcast if marinak has felt there was someone out there who could come in and do a better job immediately I guess I mean it’s a cynical world he would have pulled the trigger wouldn’t he Lewis did he do you think sometimes sometimes but he’s also got to to look at the he’s the owner of the football club now the football club for the last 18 months has been in a unbelievable the atmosphere has been incredible the the feel good Factor around the place has been incredible so he also has to look at that and they also probably you’ll have is they have people working for him who are in the know-how within the fans and understanding their day-to-day what’s going on on social media the general conversation The General kind of talk between the funds so that will have a massive Factor the the end of the day he doesn’t want to come and now even at this point go and sat the manager the complete disconnection of the fans and the and the players and the team because at this point in time especially in a situation that’s not going to help anybody so I think that there’s there’s a lot into it maybe they will have people ready they will have people earmarked that’s just that’s just football that’s just how it works but it’s a time of when he’s going to pull the trigger and now after after the leads game I I possibly thought that was a time and I think that there was stuff coming out from the club and the stuff coming out on on sky and stuff like that that doesn’t normally happen unless there’s unless there’s some conversation in-house so I think there was definite conversations had I think there was a definite it was definitely considering it as a football club but I also go back to my original point that I think the the backing uh from the fan base around that point after the leads game I think that may be is given give them a bit of extra time I think as well Greg like other more people saying Cooper out now which is fine I totally respect that opinion I can see why people would there’s a serious argument to be made for it but I don’t think Villa away was going to change anything because they probably weren’t going to win that game Villa won seven out of Nine the sixth in the league now Ollie Watkins is up there with the best strikers in the country to me it felt like like Lewis said I think if you were going to pull the trigger it either needed to be after leads or maybe after the Brighton game I feel like you’ve got to give Steve Cooper two more home games and then then you are in last roll of the dice desperation country because they’re gonna have to get something against Brighton or United and it still feels like to me that they they can they’ve got to replicate the Wolves performance I mean I know the answer this question are you still fully behind Cooper yeah absolutely but I mean yeah Villa third in the form table but we’re gonna have to beat one of these teams soon if you want to stay or we’re gonna have to be an Arsenal or a Brighton or a manual or a team like that to be able to say like because teams are winning below us that’s the kicking out that’s they’re really picking up points um yeah I agree with Lewis that if you’re going to pull the plug it was gonna have to be earlier and I think now the time’s gone for that the conversation’s over you stick with him now uh if the worst was to happen at the end of this season and they got rid of him the best person to take us up it would be Steve Cooper again he’s done it before uh he’s done it with a weaker Squad than we’d have next season and he’s experienced in that role he knows exactly how to do it uh maybe you know we get the back room stuff I don’t know I don’t know what the answer is but for me you stick with him I said it as soon as we won at Wembley that he’s the manager for the season no matter what happens he’s one that he deserves it and there’s still a very very good chance that we stay up it gets me when people are almost mocking me when I say I think we can still stay up of course we can we’re still right in the mix our form has been atrocious worse of the Season by far but that can still change it’s only going to take a result against Man United and how silly as that sounds we’ve beat teams better than the hammer home this season uh you know away from home they’re not the best they’ve got rashford out it is a a very winnable game especially if people truly believe we can in this league then that’s the game where Cooper and his staff and his players are gonna have to stand up and get the result and if they do this conversation’s done over for a little bit longer and we continue and we see if we can stay in this league which we all want to do I think yeah I think we can stay up but I feel like we will go down at the moment it feels very very difficult with the fixtures ahead what do you think the players are feeling there so what are you feeling about the prospects of actually staying in the league now with the fixtures to come I think I think the pressure’s on now listen we can we can we can sit here and we can say maybe get any support they have to go and they have to now go and win games of football and they have to now go even with the you look at the games you look at the Southampton game which is which is a massive point but they have to go and beat one of the big big teams and they’re gonna have to go and probably be also a brighter side that have obviously been very good this season that’s the reality the reality is now the games are running out so you have to be optimistic but you also have to have a bit of sense of reality about it and it’s now you have to win games you have to win games football stainless League simple as that what about the Home and Away thing obviously you’ve been out there on pitches you were at Leeds um they fell apart after 20 minutes is that purely a psychological thing or is that a tactical thing as well yeah to to be to be honest prior to the goal it leads and the goal they was they was playing really good football they was really on the front foot Leeds couldn’t get out once the goal went in it was just a total switch you know the total switch now I don’t know where that comes from I don’t know if it’s sometimes it’s the way they’re set up sometimes teams are set up to play kind of at times Forest put on the counter obviously we’re running and getting them spaces but sometimes they they have to when they actually Score first it’s some especially away from home it kind of changes changes the way that everyone’s thinking but lead second half honestly they could have scored four or five and that and that’s and I and and that’s just being honest I I think on another night they could have won one three or four uh and that’s that that was what’s alarming alarming is the complete kind of disorganization once things kind of go a bit uh a bit not unplanned it it just seems like players are just then playing off the cuff and playing kind of on their own that’s what it that’s what it looked like at Leeds especially in the second half yeah it looks a bit desperate and it was sort of it we’ll come onto the subs of villa as well it felt a bit desperate as well to try and get back into the game the other thing I want to ask you about Lewis is new manager Banks and how real it is the leads going back to Leeds was interesting they played Palace yesterday uh at one mill up people are saying you know uh well Mikey was saying look at these throwing themselves into it trying to win the game not sitting back they’re doing great and then at five one people saying look at Roy Hodgson he’s come in and done great it shows what the what a change does which it to me it’s I don’t think it’s a black and white as that because you look at Bournemouth and they stuck with O’Neill and he’s turned them round and then without making a change you look at Leicester they’ve made a change and got even worse and obviously you look at Palace and hodgson’s come in and they’ve done a great job but Watford fans a year ago wouldn’t be saying that because he went in and stunned the place up so is how real is new manager banks in your opinion oh it’s definitely real what you got to understand it’s like any workplace it’s it’s people are going to be happy some people are going to be unhappy some people are going to feel super confident some people are going to feel like they haven’t got the back end of the kosher stuff that’s just the reality of it when a new manager comes in the ones that have been on the side the ones that I may be thinking my time’s up at the club they get a clean State they get another opportunity they get that they get that spring next day into training it’s like I’ve got the opportunity now I’ve got the same opportunities everyone else instead of maybe beforehand maybe they might be I’m just never going to be right for this manager and that happens so I think if you look at it from the game yesterday release the palace I think whoever won is going to have that if if Leeds won you’re gonna think well as Roy hod should actually done that much and now it it looks like he’s had that incredible impact but I think certain sometimes certain managers uh suit certain clubs and certain players for your point of what for fans I don’t think they’ll have the same uh the same kind of agreement on Hodgkin what he did there but he’s gone into there he knows a lot of the players a lot of the players know him he may be not have changed a lot but it’s sometimes just taking the shackles off a few taking a bit of that confidence putting that confidence a bit in my management it’s only little things the Premier League is that is that good there’s that many good players the differences and as you look at the top Guardiola clock them top that when when players speak about and one of the biggest things they speak about is that my management skills and you look at any how matter management skills because that at times is a big difference because they’re all exceptional players otherwise they won’t be in the Premier League but it’s sometimes that little bit of a bounce that little bit of a a good feeling knowing that the manager’s on your side feeling confident because confidence in football is is the be all an end all for me when you play when you’re feeling confident there’s no feeling like it and maybe that might happen maybe that might happen and you look at some clubs but then you look at Leicester and Brendan’s gone and it hasn’t really had an effect if anything it probably got worse so these arguments both sides uh these arguments both sides but the but the new manager bounce there is definitely truth in that and it can it can definitely have a positive effect yeah I think Forest will probably get to that point in the end unless they start getting results I don’t think maranakis is gonna stick with Steve Cooper and letting them go down I just don’t see it happening personally so I don’t think anything’s changed after that statement I think they need a result very very soon um one thing I wanted to discuss is people kind of blaming it all on Cooper and people blaming different things Greg I want to get your take on what’s gone wrong because I wrote in the notes Here I think there’s four areas where forests have failed this season and there’s a lot of hindsight in this firstly if you look at Brentford Fulham Leeds who’ve come up as good examples recently I think that team was built on solid foundations Brentford had come close so many times and they developed players like Ray I like Tony like Pinnock like Henry who were ready to go and similarly Leeds had Bamford and players like that and Fulham had admit to it forces this whole promotion was built on eggshells I think and in the summer there was a lot of recruitment that was perhaps a bit panicked a bit scattergun January recruitment hasn’t worked as well so I think that’s one area where it’s gone wrong and there’s a lot of mitigation in that because they had to move very quickly second area to me is their injuries have absolutely killed them Henderson Nia Cate Bali Yates a one year I’ve written down here and I know it’s not the same but it’s sort of like taking Rodrigo gundawan Harland out of the Man City team for a long time that’s going to kill you no matter who you are it’s going to affect your relative goals and what you’re aiming for and then the third thing to me that beyond the manager that’s killed them is just giving away points with poor individual errors but you know they shouldn’t be in wolves obviously that was an individual era but Mia Kate V Newcastle were all at Spurs shelvey versus Everton uh Shelby vs Villa there’s a Litany of things where they think they’re made arrows and then the fourth one is you can look at the manager and to me in terms of tactics team selection Subs no one’s perfect and Steve Cooper is 43 years old and he’s going to learn a lot from this season but I suppose the part I’m making Greg is it’s not it’s it’s always a compound picture it’s never black and white is it there’s a lot of things that have gone wrong this season and probably we’re always gonna go wrong yeah I mean saying that this squad was built on eggshells and I get that and that’s the only reason we went up we we went up too early if anything didn’t we we weren’t prepared for it you only have to look at you know the ground in the summer trying to quickly get it ready for Premier League nobody was really expecting it or building for it um but that was the price of going up it was the way we went up it was the only way we were going to go up with these lone players and then having to buy so aggressively in the summer um I do agree though the way we bought in the summer that had been changed the next season or the season after all whenever with planning for the Premier League again you just you’re not going to build solid foundations the way the way we did it this summer but I do you’ve got to give them some I don’t know whether the words Credit in the way they did it because we had to we just had to fill all that Squad up um for me it was the the the January one got me because I don’t really think that many of those players have uh have delivered you know the January signings and also having to pick the 25-man squad you don’t know that was just bad luck when we we lost our Defenders as soon as the 25-man squads picked and then you’ve you’ve got no fit backup Defenders on the bench for many weeks so yeah I mean the injuries they’re gonna have to look at is this just a a freak season where we’ve had so much bad luck but then you get your two two starters back for a couple of weeks and then they’ve gone again now with the same injuries so that’ll be something that they have to look at and I’m sure the people are behind the scenes looking at why this happens whether it’s the training pitch the way we train or or just share bad luck but that does have to change in the future obviously um and I like how you have put Cooper number four on that list because I don’t think he is the the reason we’re in this position I think he’s the reason we’re in the Premier League in the first place and that should always have to be remembered whenever we’re having these debates so yeah there is going to be a a massive look at this in pre-season no matter what league we’re in and I’m sure the foundations are already being built to to make this a more a sustainable Premier League club whether it’s next season or if we go up the season after we’ll be in a hell of a better position um did you I’ve been going into this season did you think they were just gonna be in this position no matter what Lewis or did you think they could could be pushing higher up the league I think you’ve got to be uh you’ve got to understand in the sense that if they came into the Premier League if they stayed up no matter how they stayed up everyone would be really happy I think that you can’t look too far ahead back to Greg’s first point I think it it everything kind of accelerated a bit too quick for everyone for everyone and I think that’s that’s that’s a lesson that you you kind of learning on the job and the and the club and the people at the at the top level will understand where they’ve probably gone wrong uh on that on you on your points and individual mistakes listen the manager can’t there’s nothing a manager can do sometimes then things happens and you feel like you get a punished for every little mistake you you you do and then sometimes you go for a little spell where you get away with a few things that’s just football at any level that will just happen and it just seems to be it will be highlighted more because them mistakes are our customers valuable points but that’s nothing the manager can do once the once the players go on the pitch and the players are trying to trying to make them it just sometimes it happens the biggest thing for me is recruitment recruitment is the biggest thing for any football club when you do your coaching badges when you do your courses when you do all these situations now one of the main things that they drive is your recruitment is your bill on end or that’s that’s that’s what normally keeps you that normally what tells you whether you have a successful season a Bad season and it always normally falls back on your recruitment now I think that the the the recruitment yes they they lost a lot of loan players so they had to get players in I think the type of players that they got in at times didn’t suit but what I think sometimes the fans have got to understand this in a football club that above the manager I.E the owner the owners advisors or the director of football not everyone is all going in the same direction and it may be not nice to hear but that’s the reality of football everybody in there will have their own agendas the owner will have certain agents and certain people that he likes to work with but also the director of football when he comes in now he’s going to build up a different reputation he’s going to build up a different contact base and it might be some people different so you’ve got everybody sometimes working in different directions that’s why sometimes you see transfers and you kind of look where’s that come from because that’s the that’s that that’s what it is because people are trying to look after themselves and do the best for themselves it’s not nice to hear but that is the reality of football even more at the top level and if you look at the the January I I I yeah I I agree with Greg I think it was are you I can understand that are you one even though as a manager sometimes when things are going a bit off-key sometimes you have to maybe try and get a player who one knows how you work two knows you you also he will be a voice in the change room to push stuff to the other players how the manager wants and that’s where you look at sometimes it’s the contribution that they make around the club IU knows Steve Cooper they’ve played with you before he he values him really really well so sometimes from an outside you think to yourself well yeah he’s not getting any younger that transfer where is that going to be improving the squad but it also it might just improve off the pitch and people don’t think that’s important but day to day Monday to Friday that’s where the stuff happens that’s where you sometimes need somebody around the change room listen don’t worry this is what the manager wants this is how the manager does this and that will help Steve Cooper because at times he will feel over that season especially with a massive influx of players that there’s maybe a lot of players that maybe don’t agree with his tactics maybe don’t see the way he wants to play that happens so also you’ve got to look at maybe the manager at times they need to get players in that will fight their corner and will unders make the players understand a bit more with what the manager wants um I mean just looking in the comments the most common comment here or so far say it’s probably about are you getting minutes over surrege is that that’s why you think it is then because the fans are baffled by how Sam storage isn’t getting a kick and you know are you and then Woods was in ahead of him as well and Emmanuel Dennis was and I think he’s done well for the Emmanuel Dennis to be fair but is that that’s the explanation and you think of why storage isn’t getting any minutes well the thing the thing with the storage one is is quite strange because he doesn’t seem to be getting any kind of time now I’m not looking I’m not saying that the iu1 now like he’s coming for that reason that he needs to or play every game now at times you have to if you have the opportunity you drip feed that in what I think what I think Steve Coopers may be where he’s gone wrong is that he’s he’s maybe force-fed IU a bit too much over the other people and that brings scrutiny then on IU does it if that makes sense so I think that is overlooked uh a few of the players that maybe could and try and do something different and that’s why I think that maybe is put a little bit more pressure on himself where he probably didn’t need to um what’s it like in the ground Greg with when IU comes on is there a bit of a groan now and what’s your take on are you versus Suraj as well I’d love to see sarich given some minutes we don’t see what’s going on in trading and it must be seeing something but I’m crying at Sea storage again because you trust him you trust him he’s lit I’ve said it many times these these small chances we get Suraj bangs them on target say God knows why He’s not getting it in minutes you’ve got to kind of trust the reasons but uh I’d love to see him get some money so I really would um IU for me hasn’t really done anything he had one little spell I think it was in the Everton game where you thought all right yeah this guy could do something and then after that nothing but he’s certainly not the only one that’s getting minutes at the minute where you think what why are you on that pitch surely you’ve you’ve shown enough now that someone else could be taking that spot so um but yeah when you say about the crowd I mean there’s one bloke in front of me on Saturday you booed for Oiler when he came on I mean what what are we doing now it drives me insane it really does it’s like how is that helping anyone desperate to be proven right as well that he has a rubbish game it’s just crazy so that frustrates me more than anything none of us are perfect but it’d be nice to have a little think before we do stuff like that yeah and it’s interesting to say about stories because he is a finisher I know he had a nightmare at Blackpool and Miss chances but Forest creates so few chances in games it makes you wonder why he’s not on the pitch to try and take one because we don’t aside from Brennan I don’t look at anyone who’s a natural goal scorer is as well in a sense you’ll get in the six yard box but we don’t have anyone else like that it surprised me a bit um and we did make the attacking substitutions as well when you you look at the the team sheet and when we made the subs they were with with goals in mind clearly so you’ve got to be given those chances and take them if it happens and you’re not going to get any more opportunities if you have you know like lost a performance like that without being too harsh do those attacking subsequently I think you’ve said it Leeds Lewis they look a bit desperate these attacking Subs at the moment is that fair but I just think it’s a bit you I think I think playing I think playing without a striker uh probably around that Striker I think it has to change I think it has to change I understand that at times it’s a season you obviously you play maybe with that you put you’re giving gives white a bit more of that free role but it’s it’s sometimes you look at it you think right is the manager thinking well I need to play Gibbs white but I can’t really play him at at a point in the Midfield three because I don’t feel that it maybe do the other side well enough then you’re going to be overrun so it’s kind of he’s given that free role to accommodate not playing in the Midfield but it also takes away of having that Striker now your only thing it’s all on Brennan trying to score and the reality is when you’ve when we’ve won games and when we’ve done that that that’s what it is it’s you wait for a chance Brandon waits for a chance and he scores but in terms of the the actual game plan it hasn’t really changed but I think now I think you need to have that focal point now who that focal point is the manager’s got to decide that but I think there needs to be that focal point at least to have something as a Target to play off at the at the top end of the pitch for the moment it just seems a bit kind of the second half it’s just up there breaks down and it’s just an onslaught and it’s just everyone’s all all uh sporadic over the pitch and if you look at the second goal yesterday at the point I felt sorry for tofler I felt sorry from at least because he’s 2V1 so many times he’s 2V1 and he’s on his own but that comes back to the point of where the team is just a bit disjointed that laptop he doesn’t get that help and most teams play with four three three they play with them and out winners and then you have four uh fall back to that bomb on and it’s just like I said there’s not much more you can do but if you look at the second goal again it it breaks down Ashley Young gets it Gibbs whites in the left position with IU but no real kind of structure to it bought goes over them softly’s on his own having to try he’s having to try and squeeze to apply pressure but he also knows that he’s gonna get done with one ball right in behind him and that’s and that’s it so that’s the thing what there’s just no structure up the top end at the minute and when it kind of goes wrong in games it just seems a bit kind of gun hole and a bit of free spirit and you can’t do that you expect not in the Premier League you can’t do it because teams will just take advantage yeah yeah I had a good old moan about how they defended and hung the fullback site to dry a bit leads as well so it’s interesting to to hear you say that um let’s talk more about the Villa Game there was a change in formation to three at the back to get Joe Worrell back in uh making them harder to break down from a tactical point of view Lewis were you on on board with attitude because they’ve been so bad in away games could you see the rationale and doing something different yeah sometimes you’ve got to change things sometimes you’ve got to look it differently at that point in time I think Steve Cooper’s probably looking let’s just go a bit more solid let’s just try and see the game through maybe get a a chance on the break and try and try and try and sneak a win with what’s happened previous I think there’s no there’s no issue in that thinking because he has to do something he has to have some kind of reaction especially after the second half at least which we’ve already discussed so uh I watch I’ll watch as much of the game as I as I could as the villa and by all accounts the the the first off and the formation and the and the structure worked but it’s at that point where we were saying uh before off air it’s it’s when you have to now you have to go and win games so it’s at that point where okay the first half brilliant we’ve stayed in the game we’ve kept it tight it’s right when and what’s the time to now go a bit more expansive and if if that when we do that are we then all over the place again and that’s the big thing because like we said we have to now win games of football what did you make of the first half in the ground Greg I thought they did a good solid job to be fair watching it yeah yeah and I liked Joe Worrell I thought Joe had one of his better games this season again um I I’ve Got Confidence in the central Defenders I have I think that they’re really good and then you know with injuries now McKenna’s probably going to get some minutes again isn’t he and uh you’d believe in him as well he’s pretty much at the same standard as Joe so so they’ll be fine it’s just everything around it and I I did like the three at the back I think it worked in the first half um but a friend of ours took a friend of mine before this and that you have to look at when we last got a clean sheet and it was Leicester at home and I think the pairing was Warren McKenna then so I think that is gonna be coming back into it now and whether we just play three Central Defenders away from home I’m not sure but I think it is something that’s going to stay now and it it hasn’t really it hasn’t really been the reason why we’re losing either has it because that first off performance was good it was just you know Hanging On Again the last few minutes and you thought here we go they’re going to score but lo and behold they did at the very start on the second half which which changes the game for everything we just don’t seem to have that that fight to come out and go for them after I speak to Villa fans walking out the ground and they were saying last 20 minutes they didn’t feel nervous one they look they didn’t feel threatened at all and they felt dead comfortable but obviously when we did try and go for it we get punished at the very end but I’d rather go down fighting like that than just hold off for the one mil loss at least we did have a go and try and get it unfortunately obviously it didn’t work but now the rest we’re going to have to take to try and get some points so did you see did you see fight in that team asked to go in one nil down or not so I don’t think away from what I do at home but I just don’t away from home it didn’t feel like we were gonna score and then we go down to 10 men again it’s the injuries again the killing us and he tried to stay on and it was clear that keeping him on the picture was going to cost us more than it was getting him off but you know when we did go down to 10 we did start trying to attack a little bit but it didn’t feel like enough it really didn’t and you know the mistakes cost us and it was it was tough but we are gonna have to see a hell of a lot more fights so easy to say isn’t it and we don’t know what it’s like on that pitch Lewis does but it it was it was it was a tough watch the end of that game it really was and it kind of walked out the ground in a whimper rather than saying we really went for that yeah true there were two other players I thought did well I might come back to to one of them in in Danilo I thought showed good promise again in central Midfield and I thought Nico Williams did well obviously he really struggled at Leeds but he the wing back position suits him a lot more I think especially away from home so let’s just want to give them a quick shout out because I see the clock sticking quite a lot um the goal Lewis the first goals obviously pivistal uh howler from John Joe Shelby I thought he might say different give us a breakdown on the goal and then we’ll discuss Shelby because he’s a bone of contention with fans that just on the goal first what was your take on it no it’s a mistake this you can’t they put trying to discuss it trying to what’s your opinion of the way it’s a mistake a mistake that you shouldn’t make uh I’m not quite sure what is what is it because even if the academy got even if he if he got the pass it puts him into trouble so listen it’s just it’s just a flat out mistake uh and at a major time and that’s that’s not definitely did change it changed the game because straight straight after half time you have a good first off you come out and then there’s a and as a as a player have been out there before you just feel like that’s the last thing you need and it just sucks everything out of you all the positivity that you had first off all the positivity that’s going around the dress room at half time and you feel like right listen let’s go out again 20 minutes keep it tight I hope fans might start to turn a little bit because that’s what you do as a as a player especially away from home that’s what you look at you look at the the way fans keep it as tight hopefully they’ll turn the players will then get a bit edgy and that’s when little gaps will start appearing and you can try and then win the game but for that mistake to happen at that time uh I think it just it just says uh run signals throughout the throughout the whole team true there’s dancers in the comments we’ve had enough mistakes you could have a mistake of the month contest unfortunately could have a mistake of the Season contest but there that’s the way so that’s one of the reasons we’re down there um so on Shelby Lewis um fans hate him I think it’s fair to say now uh I don’t aside from the Fulham game where he came in and did really well I just don’t think he’s played very well it was them is there mitigation for him is it too much of scapegoating of him what’s your take on shelving I think there’s a I think there’s a little bit of all of it to be honest uh John Joe is is what John jewelry John Joe will never change John Joe’s been the same from when he made his debut from the numerous times I’ve played against him he will always put the ball at risk that’s the way he plays and at times he can look unbelievable at times he will do stuff where he will win you the game he will make a pass that nobody else sees but at times he will give it away now I was following this I was having this conversation after our game I started with a few ladies that you have to understand that’s where the the team and the structure and the the manager how it how he fits in now if you look at it from a Newcastle point of view you look at uh Bruno gamer as you look at long staff you look at their their very much same type of player they don’t really play they’re very good with the ball at the feet but they don’t really try ambitious stuff and a lot of managers nowadays don’t like that midfielder who’s going to give the ball away a lot they don’t like that wrist they like sideways backwards stay in your slot keep things ticking over so I think also you you have to understand that what does the manager want from shovey what does his role in the team I all I think that his performance is needs to be better he’ll be the first one to admit he probably hasn’t hit hit the ground running you look at the Everton the penalty that doesn’t help little things at times when you sign for a new club you need little things to go your way and if they don’t sometimes you don’t recover and that’s just the reality like sometimes you just don’t recover and whether fans admit it or not sometimes a player is just not for them and no matter what they do it just won’t be for them and that’s just that just happens for another example Chris Wood before he comes through the door he’s not for them so he has to play out his skin he has to be to a certain example for him to get by if not fans already have made that judgment on it and this emotion will say no I don’t agree with that but it’s the truth that is it so when a player comes through that door after a few games straight away you will have your judgment on them and barring something very drastic it will change and that’s sorry and that’s how I see it so I think that there’s a lot of I think what I said to your phone there’s a lot of things in that he needs to play a lot better uh he needs to stop making the individual mistakes which is costing the team points but I also think that from a Fan’s point of view I just don’t think that he is what they want I don’t I I what is also a big thing is it’s very hard to replace big big players so what I mean by that is Yates is massive for Nottingham Forest at this point in time every fun knows that what Yates brings so when you have somebody that comes in a team for him he’s never ever gonna reach the standard in the fans eyes that Yates does because what she hates brings so you’re already fighting a bit of a losing battle anyway as a player and that’s how it is sometimes you when you have to replace such a big character or a big Coggin in the team you’re never gonna really get over that point and it’s the same I use the same example my opinion for Nico Williams is in his in Spencer’s shadow that’s what everyone always said he’s not he’s not in general is better this Jed did that so everything when he when he mates when he goes onto the pitch and he makes decisions that’s what they’re always doing they’re basing it off the facts of what judge Spence did and the success he had and that’s just the reality and that’s how it looks that’s how it is that’s how it seems so he’ll know that he will know that the fans haven’t taken to him he’ll know that and that doesn’t help because then at times he’s trying to then do something to get the fans on side everyone’s a human being at the end of the day we all make mistakes granted like I said before he needs to play better in needs to then understand what is in the team form and maybe at times not be so risky with his passage at first but he the thing with John Joe he’s not going to change he’s not going to fully change what he is he’s he he’s done the same throughout his career and he’s played in the Premier League for a very long time so he must be doing something right um I’ll come to you in a second Greg just want to ask Louis one more question about this have you been at a club where the fans have turned against you the fans aren’t having you and what’s the kind of psychological impact on that for you if it’s happened it’s a perfect example that I’ll speak from experience Watford I was never gonna Watford was always it was never gonna be long there’s never going to be longevity in it they never talk to me never talk to me and the reason is I could have done a lot of things better at times I could have performed better but I’ve I came in after after the team lost in the playoff final what for come out of nowhere this that that season they played unbelievable I came in they lost uh Nathaniel chalaba who was on loan at Chelsea at the time who was one of the player of the seasons so straight away back to my original point I replaced him and I was never ever gonna be him in the fans eyes because that season them players have given the fans an opportunity to get to Wembley in their promotion where they haven’t been before now if you then take Watford away and put not in your forest in prior to last season that team this club have been nowhere near the Premier League that Squad and that team has get the fans something that they haven’t had for such a long time so I don’t care what anyone says you’re going to hold them players in a different regard to everyone else because they put you into a situation so I’m speaking from experience of at Watford it just never there’s never gonna materialize because sometimes when you follow a situation where is is so good the the previous season or the previous player they’ve just had a such a big influence you have to go into that environment and hit the ground running straight away otherwise you’re gonna be you’re going to be cast aside and and that’s just my opinion people people may not agree but that is just the reality and I think that if most fans sit there and actually have an honest opinion that within two or three games they will make their opinion on a player now if they follow the player that has had a massive amount of success they are gonna always critique him to that player let’s add Greg he’s back he’s gonna happen to you there I am I don’t I that was fascinating listening to Lewis though and it really does make you think twice um because I mean there’s no better person to say there’s someone who’s been through it and that’s like I feel even harsh you’re saying this now but I I don’t want to see Shelby’s name in the 11 on Sunday I really don’t because it’d be great for us as a mid T if we were mid-table and he was doing his risky balls and like say he’s not going to change um that’d be great but it just cost us two massive mistakes the the penalty and then and that on like Saturday the trust isn’t there anymore it’s just not and it you know I don’t know when Navas could be at fault a little bit for parrying her aimed I don’t know but it’s just for me like as a fan the trust isn’t there that he’s going to not protect us when we need it most and I don’t know maybe maybe we’ll start again on Sunday and you know what do we know but it’s I I personally I I don’t want to see him in the in the team on Sunday if it was if it was down to me which he clearly isn’t but yeah it just it killed us it really did on Saturday and it was such a weird mistake as well whether he’s feeling the pressure too much or he just didn’t expect it to be where it was or or was it overconfident thinking oh just a little past where he was it was like and she won’t be doing that there in our position especially that early in the second off it just it really killed us but then later on in that office a brilliant ball across the field and that’s why he’s there I suppose just to open up the game like he can but uh yeah it it just killed us it killed us too much and it’s happened a couple of times now but the results maker and that’s the also the big results make a massive difference on on the outs but on the Outlook of everything now don’t I I’m not saying that maybe John Joe in this period would have played any better but he’s not in the voice of winning games the scrutiny is not what it is now and that’s just that’s just reality if you look at the start of the season where results was going was winning them games the likes of West Ham and stuff was getting good results but there was probably things in that games where if you look back now and you looked but you overlook them because you won the game and you think to yourself well yeah maybe unless it’s something that is blatant a mistake you just turn the you turn the blind onto it and you forget about it very quickly so results have a massive factor in the Outlook of opinions on on players and you look at the January signings well to be honest before January from the start of the season is a totally different environment and a different place to be than it is post-january so in terms of people coming into that environment and coming in to set their marker it’s a totally different football club and that’s the reality so don’t forget football and it’s now even more after the weekend it’s a totally different funbase it’s a totally different fan base because as you can see things now like like you said before things are now starting to come a little bit toxic there’s a little few more arguments and there’s there’s a lot more touchiness on things so now he’s going to be a complete different outlook on certain players to whereas if the start of the season when this when you’re winning games you’re fresh into the Premier League everything’s going well it’s a totally different place to play football is this week the biggest test for Cooper then Lewis because if they lose to Man U then more people are going to turn the players start to you know question the manager more just like Dice and resignation creep in no one thing one thing one thing I know I’m very confident that happening is that the manager still has the change room uh uh and if you look at Joe Warren the club Captain Joe the person he is the player is the money is he he will make sure that that change room regardless is pain or not is is still doing everything properly and and still doing everything for the manager so I think that’s I think that’s a that’s the biggest thing but I also if you look back at one of Greg’s first points when we’re talking about the manager him stay in he might not want to stay regardless of the outcome he might not want to stay because regardless of what people may think stuff going off in the background he won’t be happy with it he won’t be happy with certain things that have happened so he loves this football club but at some point in time he might think you know what I don’t need it I don’t I don’t I don’t want to be in this environment anymore I don’t want to be in this kind of whatever’s you don’t know so I think that a lot of we’re having that conversation about players and about right regardless of if we go down or not don’t attack the manager because he’s the one to get us up he might have had enough he might want a different a completely different Outlook he might want to break because that’s what you’ve got to understand a lot of all this what’s going on he’s got to deal with this but also deal with making sure this team every single day so he’s got both barrels do you know what I mean and it’s nice that listen that’s going to help him massively when the fans come out and the unite and they make they make known of of what they feel about him and that’s why he’ll have the the the love for the club he has already in his short space of time but I don’t think that we should all have our eggs in one basket and thinking that he’s just automatically going to stay because I’m not sure Greg will cry when he goes do you know what though in a weird way I kind of like that that if he left on his own accord and he left the the man all of them respect and you know it was it was on his terms that kind of keep us up this year I don’t know yeah so no it’s a different thought process that is isn’t it but God the stress he must be under he is only human isn’t he so yeah it’s a it’s an interesting one Matt and last one on the Villa Game Greg before we go on to Man U just picking out the one positive or what didn’t really pick up on was Danilo do you see the kind of the evolution of the player and that he’s going to be big for us hopefully in the Premier League next season or in the championship if we can keep him yeah I think we would keep him as well I don’t think he’s done enough yet to like set the but each game goes by more and more people are talking about him in a positive manner and he hit I mean he had that shot where he maybe should have laid it either side to him and there’d have been a better chance but he’s clearly playing with some confidence now in a team with not a lot of confidence around it at the minute he’s having a go and he’s playing off good balls and he looks really good in that position so yeah I I want him in the team she on Sunday that’s for sure he’s playing well he’s starting to do things and he he’s starting to show it because I I did think he was just gonna going to go missing a bit like Scarborough as we’re not seeing much of him at all are we and I thought Danilo was in danger of that at one point but he’s he’s winning his place back and it is a very good argument that he that he keeps it for the time being at least hi hello [Laughter] um just last point I wanted to raise actually thinking about it the injuries we haven’t discussed the injuries creates they’re Killers aren’t they if they are they’re a snare cutter in particular that sense back pairing that’s going to hurt a lot isn’t it yeah yeah I think I I would like to I think Felipe has been terrific I think he’s been he’s been the last the last few weeks he has been Head and Shoulders at times and he’s kept that back line so I think that is your one big foundation I I think I think if you look at near Cafe probably missing now I think Joe’s perfect to go back in I think Joe gets uh stick that he doesn’t deserve I think that he never lets anyone down he he knows exactly what he is and he will always defend first and foremost properly and I think them too is not a is not a bad partnership at all uh I look at back to your point about denilo I looked a lot of things from him uh exactly and me and that’s what I said to you about sometimes they’ve got to find their place and if you look on Saturday especially at Villa a lot of his good work came from driving from a deeper deeper area it came from driving through the Midfield now maybe he’s found that now obviously with Kathy probably coming out maybe he can now take that position and make that his own because I think at times there was there was big promise he he’s got legs he’s powerful yes back to Greg’s point maybe he can make better decisions once he gets to that that final third but that will come but I think that he showed he’s shown a lot of promise maybe having his legs in his in his drive from that deep deeper position especially if you’re now gonna maybe sit a bit deeper and use that use that character is he is a is a big plus uh there’s a person in the comment I hadn’t thought of this Philippe at the nffc86 wife Felipe hasn’t won a game in a Forester poor guy he’s an absolutely immense and he hasn’t even savored a win or a clean sheet or a clean sheet yeah I know obviously play against man city that was a great result um do you think Lewis if a player comes in and they’re injured for virtually the whole season even if you get relegated they owe you a season of the championship in near Cafe I’m thinking here or is he within his rights to one out if we go down uh the I think I think we should take away uh the kind of oh oh I don’t think I think we should look at it he’s coming to this football club he’s he’s wanted to hit the ground one and he wanted to play now at the end of the day regardless of any situation he’s got a contract we’re not in the forest regardless of what in this what if a premier league or the championship the league that they’re in that year first and foremost he’s going to be playing on the forest so until anything happens outside of that nothing changes I think that it’s there’s sometimes that the the thing what most kind of fans think is we go down we leave the only case only if someone wants to buy the player someone doesn’t want to buy the player they don’t go anywhere like nothing and at this point in time he’s hardly played so he’s not like he’s where you look at Brandon where Brennan’s made a real big case for himself where you look to yourself in the summer you think if things don’t go well maybe he’s made a case now that other people look at him so I think that when you look at the majority of the squad I think that’s the and that’s the biggest mistake where I think the club have made in a sense of it’s hard because owners only think about what I’m saying the Premier League because that’s where the money is and what they want to try and do and everything’s fast tracked but I think that if you look are the teams that have done it Norwich did it for a while I think the biggest thing that Nottingham probably should have done everything got accelerated they didn’t expect to get promoted they should have made that they’ve lost the players the loan players they should have made that Squad of that type of right we’re gonna have 25 man squad we’re gonna have 20 solid top Championship players who have maybe got Premier League experience but also if we go back down worst case we’ve got an unbelievable Championship Squad now we’re not looked at because as you see it you look at the team that come back down and you think to yourself well listen they’ll probably go back up that’s where the club should have gone to in the sense of now we’re a better football club regardless we’ve we’ve got the opportunity to get promoted which brings in the finances let’s use it properly let’s use it for the infrastructure to the football club let’s now make this football club regardless of hopefully we stay in the Premier League but if the worst comes and we go down we are now a top top tier Championship Club what are we expecting to go back up instead of you sporadically Buy players that really only come to not in the forest me because they’re playing Premier League and what chances if they then if you then go down where does the squad then sit there and then it’s like yeah then you’re playing catch up again then you’re on to them going probably invest and get 10 12 players again whereas if you had a bit more structure to it and gone well you know what let’s just be solid and let’s have a team that if they play well we can probably stay up but you come back down and then you maybe might lose Brennan you might lose it but you might lose three or four it’s very easy to then replace three or four even though they’re your main players but it’s very easy to replace that and that’s if you look at the success when teams have gone down when they’ve come back up Norwich did it for a long time yes I know they kept on getting relegated but when they went back down and then straight back up and the squads never really changed and I just think from a uh to look at it from that point of view I think that would be better for the football club I think it was an opportunity to make the football club to put into different category and I’m just worried that if worst case scenario and we go down what are we gonna have left from getting the promotion if that makes sense yeah yeah so you’re worried there’ll be an exodus and we’ll be left with look not so much it’s not so much of the Exodus it’s more of the making the football club a lot more doing stuff that you wouldn’t have done if you were still in the championship I think you you could have used that also strength from the squad yeah but also strengthen the the club so regardless of what happens the football club is on a such better Foundation to now kick on instead of right okay you look at some you look at some clubs and you think to yourself right I’m not going to say that those in the Premier League four years ago and you won’t know because they’ve just been a bit gung-ho they’ve done everything a bit rash and kind of everything what happened in that period has now gone and are now struggling the championship and the money’s gone does that make sense to you that that’s that’s that’s where I always I felt they’ve made the mistake yeah or something like that a lot of owners look at it at the end of the day the Premier League’s the the promised land that’s where all the money is now in six seven years time the reality is is that you’re gonna own Nottingham Forest probably not so that’s just the reality of football offering but yeah it’s uh hopefully we stay up and we uh we won’t have to go on that conversation uh I’ll ask you about man united in a minute Greg does that worry you what Lewis said I mean that’s a bit of a not a doomsday scenario but there is a Stoke a West Brom Middlesbrough are doing well at the moment but can’t get out of the league and obviously Derby County’s here the prime example that if you don’t invest properly in your football club and use this money wisely then it can all go uh cards don’t swear on him it could go drastically wrong we’re certainly investing though aren’t we there’s certainly money being spent and then you forget about all the players we’ve currently got out online on Championship squads at the minute panzo Horvath uh bowler at Blackpool with we’ve got a championship 11 uh ready to go already not including any of the current players so I think would be very strong in that League next year but I certainly don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that we’re down there but of course it’s a worry because you you see all these teams that I’ve been former Premier Leagues we know ourselves once you go down there you’re not certainly coming straight back up it’s not a given but I do think we’d be in a better position than most I really do yeah true true but I think Southampton be strong on Bournemouth as well it’s gonna be it yeah but anyway as someone says in the comments we’re not down yet there’s eight years exactly from thinking that talk to me right uh before we go Greg my United we’ve talked about fan kind of division and toxicity on here I don’t know how much that is outside of the Twitter sphere but come Sunday afternoon it’s gonna have to be noisy again isn’t it it’s the perfect game I think for the time I really do think it’s the perfect game you look at the biggest atmosphere in the biggest game of the season so far was Liverpool and you saw what we did with that I know this is different times now but that man united game if we’re not up for that then there isn’t one we can be up for because they’re going to be noisy they are some rare away away fans that make some noise but our our City Grand is allowed and it needs to be on Sunday and that could be the the difference it really helps them and gets some of these players playing out they should do because we’ve proven it like say Liverpool um Man City that big draw man united are not the team away that people think they are they’ve lost some games and they’ve lost some games that they shouldn’t have so we will go for it and it is starting to get to the point now where it’s must win it it is like you can’t hide from that and as long as everyone knows it and and the atmosphere is there who knows can you make a case for them Lewis I’m sure you can I mean if they play a strike and go for it as Greg says does that can you see for us getting something from the game well it’s how many times have we had this conversation I’ve ever read it about the top number like this this really when you look at it is what a lot of the seasons especially homophone has been built on it’s been built on atmospheres creating a uh an atmosphere on a day where you basically have uh order you bats against the wall no one expects you to do anything and that’s where we where we have come up trumps now we have to go and do it so we’ve done it before so it’s not as if we sit in here saying well we haven’t be uh a top six Club All Season we haven’t made uh the city ground of Fortress and we haven’t and that big clubs haven’t come to the city ground and struggled because they have so it’s there it’s just trying to get that blueprint back out uh and hopefully because that’s the reality reality is you get you it’s not let’s hope we’re gonna have to we’re gonna have to win one of these games probably two of these games at least so we’ve done it before we’ve got to do it again and it’s simple as that so it’s just basically now even with a bit of the little bit of toxic it was turning it’s now City ground imagine especially against Manchester United you’ve you fans has just got to come out and make it an absolute unbelievable atmosphere because the other day that’s what’s going to get the players over the line along along the game especially the home games that is what that pays over like what we can’t do now is we can’t turn a little bit we can’t have a bit of negativity and let the opposing teams feed off that because they will I promise you’ll get there they will feed off it any bit of negativity in the crowd that’s what they wait for and once that changes they’ll just feed off that so listen I understand that it’s it’s at that point in time where everything’s tense the games are running out but now the players need the fans more than anything especially from home because that is where we we’re gonna have to now win games that no one expects us to win it’s that simple true true uh right we’ve gone over an hour but I think we’ve covered a lot of good ground just quickly before we go Greg you wanted to mention the kits uh reports it’s gone back to Adidas from macron obviously the historical links with that are you happy with that if it turns out yeah well I mean the athletica report and it’s saying it’s our biggest ever kit or sponsorship deal so fantastic work getting that done no matter what happens next season that’s another thing that’s gonna put us in a really really good place and yeah who can’t not like Adidas really we’re we’re famous for it our most famous years with the three stripes so looking forward to see I think it’s a little bit of a tiny bit of good news in these dark times of forest at the minute quick one before we go um have you ever looked at a kit Lewis and thought Oh Christ I can’t play in that there was a there was there’s some kits that like you feel this there’s some kids can you remember the there was a a wake it was like dark blue with like a Greek dark blue and green so this would have been Steve kochel Sean O’Driscoll area yeah Victor Chandler wasn’t it also yeah Victor Chandler but the home kit as well had a bit of a collar the home kit was when Steve McCarron started the season that year but the material on it was like it was like a it was so fit the material and you just literally you put it on and it was just it was horrendous so so in terms of looks they all pretty much look the same you know I mean yeah you get a few random I can remember under the my early days with uh with Colin Calderwood we had the the Brazil kind of Brazil away kit which is a bit random uh but it’s it’s but it’s more the material monetary cereal sometimes you get some material and you think to yourself who’s who’s been in these meetings decided on these kids because they just not you know what I mean they’re not uh right for football or for any kind of uh activity that’s for sure true true right I think we need to go thanks very much for everyone who’s watched along uh if you enjoyed it do like and subscribe as normal spread the word it really helps uh Greg thank you very much I enjoyed it cheers give me a bit of Hope I’ve enjoyed listening to Lewis so good well yeah me too I was gonna say it’s Lewis you messaged me last night and said you wanted to talk about Shelby and not Hammer him and I thought oh good luck but it’s interesting the way you hear about I thought you might have a very good defense I think people in the comments uh enjoyed your contribution as well so uh Lewis thank you very much no problem uh we shall be back which we write later in the week we’ll talk more about Man U but in the meantime uh have a good week everyone and we shall see you soon
Tag: nottingham podcasts
Nottingham Forest A Brief History
During Nottingham Forest’s long history, there have been plenty of successes and disappointments. The club’s first major honour came when they beat Derby County in the FA Cup final in 1898. However, Nottingham Forest also spent a number of years in the wilderness. Their last top-flight season was in 1999, and they’ve since been in the third tier for the last three seasons. They’ve made some key signings, but have also suffered some defeats.
Nottingham Forest was one of 20 clubs to join the Premier League in 1992. However, they finished outside of the top ten in the first season. That year was also the first time that Forest won more games than they lost, and the team’s unbeaten streak was also extended to nine matches. The team’s only defeats came in the last six league matches of the season.
Nottingham Forest reached the quarter-finals of the UEFA Cup in 1995. However, the club was knocked out of the European Cup in the semi-finals by Anderlecht. During the 1995/96 season, Forest were also in the FA Cup, and they drew three matches and lost three. The team finished the season in 21st place in the old Division One.
Nottingham Forest’s most recent top-flight season was in 1999, but the club has been out of the Premier League for more than twenty years. In fact, the club had been relegated from the top-flight four times during their history, and the team had spent a number of seasons in the third tier. The club won promotion in 1994, but that was the last time that they reached the top-flight. In the past two weeks, the Forest squad has made 11 incoming signings. They’ve also signed Jesse Lingard, who was formerly with West Ham, and Belgian midfielder Orel Mangala from Stuttgart. The club is also still in the FA Cup, where they’re preparing for a two-legged semi-final against Leeds.
Nottingham Forest lost two out of five league games in the first season of the Premier League. They’ve won five out of their last 12 matches, though, and have only drawn ten. The team has been largely unbeaten in the league since September, with the exception of a 3-2 loss at Everton.
Nottingham Forest’s last season in the Premier League was in 1999, and they ended up finishing in the bottom three. However, many of the club’s players weren’t even born when the team last played in the top flight. The club’s current squad is looking to follow in the footsteps of Brian Clough, who was one of the most successful managers in English football history. He was the manager of Nottingham Forest when the club won their first League Championship and European Cups. He also won the Anglo-Scottish Cup with Forest in 1976.
Brian Clough was appointed as manager of Nottingham Forest on January 6th 1975. He went on to win four League Cups and the English title with the club. He was able to take the club to Wembley in May 1997, where he led them to a 4-2 victory over Leeds in the play-off final. His last match as manager of Nottingham Forest was a 2-1 loss to Ipswich Town.
Nottingham Podcast #1 Fez Aka “Raja” talks life
of the law
as well no joke i got locked up from
manslaughter
i had about 15 charges
welcome to not start online podcast
you’re recording right now yeah we’re
recording right now bro bastard i’ve
seen
my guy around the corner him and his
brothers are thicker is a bit longer
than that
he’s going on a few years oh yeah yeah
but obviously
you know what he’s feeling before me you
know me you know my your you know my
oldest and that yeah you know
from the first time i met you in that my
old son
oh
um last time i almost heard from you you
had a bit of uh bits and bobs going off
uh he was quite heavily involved in the
game i heard that you’ve cleared up your
back now you’re not um no no no i’ve
done my thing both you know anyone
around ng2 you know
they know about his brother’s boy yeah i
do my thing i’ve been doing my thing for
a hot second or not but you know what it
is when i mean in the hot second decade
it’s not even like off okay but
you know i’ve not progressed in that but
you know sometimes
mind over matter really you can have pee
but you know like i said like i said to
you though you could have money you
could buy a bed but you [ __ ]
can’t get no sleep yeah no you could buy
a club yeah but you’re not getting time
or whatever the [ __ ] when everybody in
the morning
it’s a blessing to have so many women
around y’all
that are nice of you in that but you see
what it is like i said to you look up
you know i do my thing shout out to phil
you know sometimes you can sit somewhere
with no money yeah and getting cheated
like a king
about two things
but let me say a lot of muslims are nice
a lot of white people in the world yeah
yeah yeah yeah you know you know
i’m always promoting you know this guy’s
half asian brother
[Applause]
hey you see a lot of muslims like this
and like that when you get a lot of
white people like this and like that and
black people like oh you can’t
generalize you see what it is you have
to understand one thing yeah where we
come from
about it
good question
that’s a good question
yeah pick it there you go easy life or
something easy life for some people is
paying their bills and living comfy like
man like me i’ve never paid bills
mortgages yeah
asian yeah our asians work yeah yeah
that’s got so many answers
you know i mean because they had
children and everything i’ve got no kids
not this i just thought you know what
i’m going to hold back from that life
because it’s just a sacrifice [ __ ]
take mine if you want yeah
if you want you could i’m dead
enough of them the [ __ ] oh this is a
my oldest is seventies
unfortunately yeah yeah yeah yeah but
yeah she’s good now my oldest is
something and no i fought with him i
talked to him he’s all right you know i
mean and
my second is my daughter my third i got
another boy
it is what it is phil you know
you know what it is boys like i said to
you on the way down yeah boys when you
when you fall over you call for who your
mom yeah yeah
oh mama mama with the girls fall over
daddy
yeah i mean it is what it is but go back
so many hundreds of you know hundreds of
years
[Music]
people talk about slavery like oh this
and that and this and that but it’s like
modern day slavery is in britain
why not shot some jobs you’ll get them
cali
if not come
all in it that’s what i like about you
first man you’re always nice to everyone
you’re always you’re always cool man
yeah man you’re nice to me you know what
you know what the people saying my cool
shirt you’re gonna say another video
everyone likes i never knew i’m talking
[ __ ] about you from you know what i mean
i respect
a bit different yeah we’ve got we’ve got
we’ve got wound crime we’ve got knife
crime we’ve got we’ve got drug culture
but i think you know we don’t really
hear about murders we hear about a
little beef that’s called this stuff but
it’s it’s really human
this is a place where you can come
together
i don’t i don’t hold a grudge against
them do you know what i mean that hold a
grudge because they are aware because
i’m probably doing things wrong as well
it is as long as someone’s trying to
burn your hearts down
[ __ ] it breaking hearts is a part of the
game yeah as long as so much has to
ignite your [ __ ] ass and burn your
ass yeah yeah yeah you get me if they’ve
got a chest in the ove kingdom that’s
the kingdom but you know yeah yeah it is
what it is anyway yeah
it’s one minute it’s one man a bit he’s
like i’m sorry i am professional nothing
you paid though
i didn’t [ __ ] tonight
just by chance you know what i mean what
for the sex in it no not for the sex bro
you’re gonna leave disrespectful
people have yeah for real man
but they are evidence of
the fact that you know like the wives
are really [ __ ] good wives mind
they’re really [ __ ] really good
really like really like that called you
do you are just don’t give them kids is
that what it is
[Music]
what went wrong with england here was
when yeah the women got into feminists
and started burning bra started leaving
the ass not around for the kids the kids
didn’t get you know
holy play all right let me see let me
finish that situation how come there’s
no more churches left yeah i don’t know
this is more must than churches
because
there is no because
because there is no moderation
no there is
i mean the reason why i think that
australia is around
what you’re going to say what was it so
the church you’re losing for the
churches yeah disappearing and
everything in england yet it’s
unfortunately i believe because the
family unit was hurt you know what i
mean by the women going out to work and
stuff like that you know what i mean
women talking about women
right now i mean no no no no no because
the dad wants it that way because a dad
provides a woman loves her [ __ ]
husband and she wants every
high standard as possible well my
husband comes at him i want to be nice
and confident
it was like that it started changing you
know you know what i say to my oh shout
out
shout out to rage i’ll shout out to the
because you’ve done a lot of stuff i
know you’ve done high level stuff for a
long time i don’t know what we’re going
to go we’re going to go on another
podcast in the area yeah we’re gonna
pull up to people and let them see what
what their fault
i know i don’t know over the years i’ve
worn you down a bit and you thought you
know what it feels all right yeah
yeah we work together yeah you
you are what you want
yeah well it’s beautiful to be
[ __ ] alive and uh what happened
then when you got fingered then was it
dangerous what happened yeah you know
what it is there’s another no i’ve got
shank i’ve got something five times
people talk five times five times
[ __ ] home i’m so glad you’re alive
you know yeah i don’t know but you see
what it is
sometimes
[Music]
from that’s just head topped one more oh
i’ve gone yeah got a corn yeah it got
done two two caliber 20 22 you put it in
your cycling that but yeah yeah yeah
yeah
you’ve done enough to hit the boat in
the [ __ ]
up there i
you don’t like the same old guy like
from every day i’ve seen you very
consistently well i’ve been actually a
shout out to my
a lot of people [ __ ] about me
you know what it is
yeah but you see what it is
you see what it is
the reality is this might be true i
don’t even know it might be [ __ ] it
might hurt it though yeah it might be
shoe it might be false just did you just
say view in it but you see what it is
what i’ve noticed yeah is that when you
when when you look good on eid
you know what eid is it yeah christmas
you see not white my name don’t hate me
like that because when we go to westwood
road tomorrow and we’ve got 30 black
and a few other people patrick paddy
yeah
when i was a kid what’s that a knife
ruined again yeah i got shanked i got
sliced on my on my leg both legs
but it’s like it’s painful that one
doesn’t matter
yeah put your finger in here don’t
wonder man y’all put your finger in this
[ __ ]
come on
what’s the future saying for you then
bro what are you on this podcasting or
what don’t you want to like like borrow
my studio to do postcards with your
emails you know i need you to come with
me
with a video
let’s go
a lot of people not to do nowhere wrong
yeah
somebody knows them yeah and you’ve done
them wrong right words and then dave and
[ ] these are getting their [ ]
your mom’s tv as
things are going up like petrol i don’t
even drive dude i haven’t drive my butt
my mates have been having their bills go
up like five dollars a month extra
because they’re driving jobs because
they’re doing driving jobs so like you
pay your own wages
my left hand’s up because you know
headshot mode really can’t feel it what
can
inflation everything’s going up yeah
they’re saying england’s going to be
fought the same the titans have turned
in it obviously america’s falling on it
you know i mean like the the story the
prophecy is coming true in it yeah
prophecy i said that yeah yeah
everything you do you feel quite living
two kingdoms
[Music]
but you know what i will flex on your
[ __ ] arshia and go to florida but
you’re almost covered in divers
you come back you fall this is my
t-shirt by the way buy it or not start
online forward slash nft get yourself a
robin hood t-shirt what is that yours
yeah shout out where’s mine there yeah
i’ll go for it no they said i swear
i know him he’s like oh what the [ __ ]
he’s doing you don’t have to come off
that back right now i’m saying yeah yeah
right now i didn’t ruin you over on it i
see your face on it and he gave me
around another guy
i just know about myself and i can watch
myself i don’t know about it i’m feeling
as well i love good things you’ve got
five [ __ ] around him i can’t vouch
for him
yeah i’m saying that a lot of people go
through my [ __ ] in life yeah i’ve never
done hard drugs like that yet but i know
that sometimes yeah they might have been
tricked into the right man you know how
that man’s life how it came about you
know i mean you just don’t know
but there’s no excuses for it like you
say but you know i never judge a man but
i’ve got no addictions live but you know
what some things are difficult
what your addiction isn’t it sometimes
it’s something madness that’s not
nothing to do with drugs you put it to
the lifestyle some people are dangerous
to drugs some people are addicted to
gambling some people are addicted to
making money yeah some people are
addicted to [ __ ] yeah some people you
know
shout out to get to me once in a pub
yeah are you going to see this yo he
said to me you said you could you okay
listen to me you could you could trust
someone with with with your drugs but
you can’t trust him with your money i’ve
given him this much and i tested him and
he it’s a point [ __ ] fall down he’s
lifting you know you can all we in the
lifestyle we’ve lived and the age we are
we we
clever enough to enjoy yeah of course
yeah because people have been there and
done it themselves aren’t there so we
know what’s going on
just like our parents you say to us
don’t do this you know what tomorrow
you’re gonna and it’s true tomorrow we
see it hard so now we’re gonna do our
gamble now we have to make any means
necessary to [ __ ] so but you
know it is yeah i’m thankful to my
parents and i’m thankful to
the
fat food to england
yeah what the [ __ ] with that free nhs
free like i said before yeah
all right it is what it is it’s what
you’re making
i’ve given
i’ve not been that successful i’ve not
really been involved in crime like
heavily that much that’s all really i’m
it’s just mental health it’s just so
hard sometimes people you know i mean
because it’s stupid and you’ve childish
or it’s just like you need to grow up i
need to grow up or whatever it’s like i
don’t want to throw my life away or
anyone’s hurt anyone or anything what
you know because the end of the day
anger does wear off if you can find
something to to
channel it or waits or something or
something
yeah
it’s really really ticked all my boxes
really but sometimes yeah
i’m the worst guy to ask questions but i
can’t back out about me i’ll tell you
whatever you want but not about shout
out to my own podcast because i feel
soon yeah because you don’t want to
answer questions though not about other
people
i don’t know
i caught me off with a fallout what is
she what is [ __ ] is she human but she’s
not eating this [ __ ]
right i’ve not really hit my target yeah
i’m not really hitting no marks yet i’ve
always been part of all people’s lives
if you’re not i mean like sometimes i
think that’s a new one on my own so i
know ain’t going to go nowhere because
you’re watching the channel
though so she doesn’t need to move in
she doesn’t think that come on you know
you do your thing i need to get a
[ __ ] job one or something or do
something with my life i mean like this
podcasting it’s all right and everything
but
trying knowing it i’m trying i’m trying
my life i’m not really trying i’m not
really trying i’m just podcasting is
like this much in my my whole week in it
i’m just [ __ ] yeah i wake up in the
morning like you said i’m going to do a
podcast i don’t want to
edit it tomorrow night let’s let’s let’s
travel isn’t it that’s cool that’s good
places
multicultural team people if you’re busy
you said you put your gloves up man you
put them off again
you know you’ve got to deliver something
to society what do they want come with
us
we’ll show you the date every podcast so
yeah we’re linking up this place blah
blah blah call with us
can we [ __ ] get in peru i’ll be
anywhere with you
the next podcast rap
if i’m not in them
i want criminal stories and [ __ ] people
that wanted people want to hear because
we were a bit cagey
we got a couple people yeah you know i
don’t know
how people were really
you know too heavy man i don’t know
i’m on my own with cameras and mics and
uh in dangerous places where people are
making real money and i mean they just
don’t want to see me doing that it’s a
bit i wouldn’t want to see it i’d kick
him off the block i’d be like oh maybe
that’s what they say i feel they know
you enough but you know what it is they
don’t want to get the last one they were
nice to me but really truthfully i mind
my business that’s why they’re nice
changing about what i’m saying needs to
do end of the day
any money i can do anything like that
man
any man can do anything
give up on me
to my brother’s
oh my god dog needs to come and see me
because i’m full he used to reward him
you know
how quick you know you [ __ ] hear me
i don’t want to be a player kid i don’t
know [ __ ] put bets on that make sure
that bastard [ __ ] wins
quicker the worst thing i’ve ever done
gambling not horses and sports is long
drawn up no ari puffs yeah and what the
[ __ ] got certain horses on bastards i
yeah
i didn’t know a couple hours back in the
day when i was about 20. i’m talking
about saudi arabia yeah they’re popping
ones yeah pop ones yeah yeah yeah
probably own horses
yeah 50 million for a horse no one got a
jaguar gold jacket i wouldn’t look gold
it’s like gold colored jack top of the
range uh for his 21st birthday was
rolling down hockey yeah drunk about
three in the morning with him he was
like that [ __ ] i was like because
obviously he’s younger than usual yeah
big people yeah he like scraped down
somebody’s like oh well you know what i
mean you should i just thought i’m
getting out this guy this guy’s mad like
they’re mad they’ve got big people
yeah you’re going to tell me tomorrow
are you chatting [ __ ] to me
but why not that we should be grateful
because another day not income is the
sort of place where it’s invested
they’ve invested in that seat i’m
grateful for him to be here
that’s a lot of money getting splashed
around and not in a minute i know he’s
creating a lot of inflation with the
house price and stuff like that and
renting and stuff like but end of the
day that’s a lot of people getting paid
if it’s coming to nottingham i’m happy
one
for that a little bit because i’m really
normal
generation even saying that it’s
anything
yeah but i don’t want zeppelin
so what you see normal the point is
yeah the normal night
you know you know generational money is
beautiful yeah and you’ve got 100
million you know you could put 50
million under your mattress buy 20 cars
100 200 thousand pounds worth of jewelry
buy your baby between my baby with
buying [ ] asses i still got [ ]
so many millions yeah but you’ve only
got one move yeah between five brothers
yeah i know you’re [ __ ]
you get 15 family members yeah
yeah yeah oh you got two movies
yeah yeah yeah yeah birthdays come every
year [ __ ] christmas comes easter
comes [ ] everything comes [ ]
happy bunny [ ] [ ] you name it
fourth of july [ __ ] it up well there’s
no rest for the best
once around here check it i had 30
people against me
all these like yeah
40 of them yeah yeah yeah yeah
yeah
big old school business
you know
again yeah what all these my comments no
i don’t say that
[Music]
with him and stuff like that and every
single day i see him and we talk holy
stuff
he talks on the heart bro
that’s how i remember i don’t know from
nothing nobody knows that i’ve never
seen him back to anybody so you might
know the old one under the new one
that’s why i can’t have that talk yeah
like i said before 99 of the time your
own people take you out you know you’re
talking about them yo this is the papers
bro
real talk for tv yeah
let the people know what the truth is
i
but i’ve got love for everyone yeah i’m
with you in it because of you i should
love to have you all right
if it weren’t for you if i had anything
no one knows
my recordings
but not everyone’s like sometimes they
get offended very easily no i can sit
with you comfortably that’s why i know
you’re sick i can sit with you i can sit
with you
um so if you’re gonna give someone
someone after being shanked five times
yeah i’m getting ahead for my podcast
what advice would you give me yo don’t
do no [ ] up [ ] you know just you
know it’s people out there that are uh
stronger than me bigger than me better
than me of course you know a lot of
people of course look in person you’re
in person
i
i was away for the half of the second
year whatever it was i was there i was
only there for like two years and i must
have missed half the year like 50
attendance yeah and they’re not going to
stop me from doing that that’s how i’m
at isn’t it i had discipline yeah you
wish you could go back to school
no no
i wish i could go back to it you know so
you got regret i forgot to get his head
up a bit more regret is it yeah
don’t know the work environment for it i
just know that
it’s just nice to
know what it is my nephews are doing it
my kids are doing it yeah yeah i’m just
going to maintain what the [ __ ] got for
mortgages yeah of course you are going
to maintain nothing
yeah questions
yeah
i want i want to keep charity the way
you travel
straight yeah
real talk for tv there’s [ __ ] you
think for us is taking me somewhere
equity is not equity gets run out now
it’s 2022. shout out to the people
trying to make it 200 300 400 bucks
[ __ ] bro real talk might be anything
to ask about me but it ain’t nothing the
government the system how it works right
now you’re going to be it’s different
but i want to leave a couple houses for
my kids yeah i want to be different yeah
yeah that’s nice if you’ve done that
that is amazing
yeah
like good credit and a job and all that
sort of stuff man i think that’s the
only way in life that you can do it
manifest you know i mean
plastic
is not good money but it is like good
money because if you speculate with your
credit investments they really doesn’t
cost you anything like people don’t buy
a house on a credit card don’t know and
they pay zero percent finance on it then
they’ve got an itemized bill of
everything they’ve done for the flaws
and [ __ ] and then bam they’re going to
pay off the thing once a month for
whatever through the rent payback or
whatever and this is right no no yeah
you know what it is a couple yards you
want to come for your yard
mortgage you put money down on it you
have to find a solicitor put your rights
through and then you’re going to pay
[Music]
40 grand up front you have to pay 42 43.
that’s how the [ __ ] system is
but yeah you have to start from
somewhere but i’m thankful for you know
my and and how it is but i’m just saying
you’re not my [ __ ] because i’m just i’m
just living at the moment
i’m teaching the kids mind that’s not
doing it because i i never got i was
thinking about doing a um online course
for kids who are off school like a
[ __ ] just a simple
little course you know
yeah for real you know
i’ll do that yeah
with that learning difficulties yeah
just normal just one more slow just like
even i could learn it like anyone could
learn and just you know start from the
times tables and then the abcs and just
do it slowly slowly slowly and just
swell you know easily you know i mean
you know even
history in there
yeah you know once
phil you know what me and you have been
both been through science and [ __ ]
double technology and then them classes
but
you don’t wish that
our father because the end of the day i
could have stayed on my engineering
apprenticeship if i wanted to i’m going
to do it yeah you could have a [ __ ]
corner i’m glad i didn’t know
because they said to me oh look in the
car park you see that knot you need to
go in with you
like that yeah i knew i tried to be a
raffle why am not here she’s only trying
to be a rapper once isn’t it
i didn’t make a lot of chats
huh i didn’t make it like i did try
harder i did all right i did better than
anyone else don’t ever give up yeah let
me say something to you you know what
you know what you just said something to
me yeah forget all this history and all
this because we were at school but we we
didn’t you know before can’t wait to
[ __ ] lesson finishes yeah real talk
yeah
let’s open somewhere we could [ __ ]
channel people
kids with [ __ ] problems yeah but
there’s no excuses because the internet
does provide a way to learn and if and
if a kid wants to know how to do
something they can’t find out if they
needed to say
but interacting with someone is
different yeah you’re all right getting
indie physically different
yeah it’s it’s a whole different right
we’ve got cool tables yeah we’ve got
this talk to us we can relate to them
you don’t have to fight him i’ve done it
look at these scores do you want to make
a [ __ ] um cic um community interest
company i don’t know about that but i’ll
pull with you yeah i don’t know we’ll do
that you know because you could be um a
mentor you could you know i’ve been
through that [ __ ]
i talked to him but i don’t want paid or
not and i’ll just do it for you guys
i’ll just do it for you
as long as as long as we’ve got respect
in the hood of course in the hood when
they when they pass by here they make
out yo this is phil’s wood
i’m definitely a guest in this hood man
because i’m not actually from this
foreign i haven’t been there 20 years
but to me that’s how mad i am you know
what i mean
i don’t know if you’re my god it’s my
hood then i’ve been jailed
off my nice play football as well for
the leagues and she just know nothing on
that because you play every team in
nottingham right now it’s beef they
haven’t ran into it
beef everywhere why is it beef
everywhere
remember you had a couple beefs down
here didn’t you what happened one of
these
on westwood remember you was it you or
yeah it was you in it so what happened
what did you [ __ ] someone up a couple of
times
oh you mean oh did you see that
cool man on westward yeah yeah what was
going off on that did i [ __ ] up on
this one i’m like i did you’ve been a
violent guy nice
i don’t know all i know is that when i
leave around here i’ll just put a rest
on because we’re done with it right it’s
the best thing because there’s people
from other areas coming by they’re
stabbing around a man sure really
investigating
i think it’s good to start the podcast
with an hour and 20 minutes thank you
for your time bro you know what i mean
and if you do want to be a co-host or if
you want to podcast anyone you can come
by and podcast with me for the time
what did that yeah i don’t know what was
wrong with her
and all these crowded people around her
whatever and she’s like then she stood
up like she’s all right
and she stumbled around a bit and it’s
like a [ __ ] sake i just thought it was
your drunk issue
she’s probably [ __ ] well yeah some
kind of truck she’s like some kind of
shout out to her yeah shout out to him
but she just [ __ ] kept walking around
in circles for [ __ ] like two and a
half hours i tried to get her a taxi
find her address oh there’s a [ __ ]
absolute nightmare anytime right now i
feel like that’s not obvious before i
seen you that’s what i was doing i’m
following this this this girl yeah she’s
getting things like this here
she was doing walking around town and
she just stopped
yeah she was [ __ ] md that me and she
was gonna up and reaching for stuff that
weren’t there and then and she stabbed
it up and uh you’re just a hard work she
was sat in the doorway for about half an
hour this is hard work because like i
don’t want to walk away and leave her
but i thought
why half step i’m not half stepper like
that in the end i had to [ __ ] leave
it because she kept turning around
sometimes you have to leave people after
five taxes bro i realized that she ain’t
even that [ __ ] she’s just being a
[ __ ] attention
[ __ ] me my left hand yeah shut up my
nerves are fortunate yeah yeah what what
so you can’t feel it at all i can’t feel
nothing to keep dropping things you know
really you’re not nervous no
dropped my flag chop my spiff a couple
of times he’s getting old as well when
mine isn’t as good as he used to be man
oh my god oh my god because your right
side of your head controls your left
side
down myself you know this man you know
he’s bastard yeah you just got to do
that and you just got to flex it every
day whatever you [ __ ] better you use
your left hand more than it that’s what
i would [ __ ] do
come on fine you know what i mean you
got to use it more
like you talking about it says that you
need to address it
i want to see you use it to fail well i
know that i’ve come back
[Laughter]
lobster and all that
salt fish and salt fish yeah [ __ ]
tilapia all types of fish all types of
fish
fish that taste like chicken broth when
you buy it it feels like chick that
bites oh different i’ve been dating
turkey yeah yeah i’ve been turkey three
times spain i only went to new mainland
spain spain was all right still i i
[ __ ] up in spain still because i had a
fight and i got locked up for three days
two days what was that about just just
just didn’t want to dance with a female
because i thought you know what my idea
would accuse you because you know it’s
the first time i went to maine that’s me
and i thought you know it didn’t matter
you’re trying to get you [ __ ] in that
you got me out dancing with her next to
me she’s making out oh i really yeah be
careful yeah yeah hey i didn’t know what
you to trust right now
[ __ ] his girls on top of him and um i
don’t know i just got arrested by the
time i got home and got nicked
what nick’s asked what’s he like at the
sales
[ __ ] eight man in one cell brother oh
[ __ ] you know how to speak sweater huh
they went to sleep no cushion well it’s
just just one bed in it i mean ever
however many man can get under one bed
in the [ ] you know the questions [ ]
all that just just open bars you get mad
there’s you you’re just in the basement
bro yeah that’s what
it is one yeah just like a little hole
you have to you have to sit down on the
floor and [ __ ] yeah like and like a walk
like a wall there or something something
you’re there for three days the two days
like a day like a day like a whole night
the next day in the evening i went to
court so basically a day i’m off i
wanted to say that there’s a court
translation i’m [ __ ] oh you know i
just got away didn’t it i’m never going
back to spain you’re my brother
i think i got a warrant on my name yeah
don’t name me
a few times but yeah
certain places do not get nicked in it
yeah
turkey i didn’t [ __ ] about you get me
that man will shoot you dead enough
with the buttons and [ __ ] buttons
they’ll put you in a field in that shoot
you didn’t make how you doing this and
that well
yeah that’s a funny thing that’s a funny
thing [ __ ] it actually i was just well i
was i’m glad to be back from [ __ ]
spain for that all right i’m going to
jamaica soon
yeah guys you’re making the characters
making
it to get there though it’s [ __ ]
miles away i don’t know but i need to
make a couple
me phil i’m not ma’am podcast man what’s
going on wake up yeah no yeah
welcome to the last online podcast let’s
get the questions now all right this is
this guy in the back of that’s called
jimmy
yeah he he he once came to me and said
oh i found
nine fingers
of [ __ ] that color same as that
cushion
yeah
you find
what basically nine of me in it
michaela michael yeah yeah yeah
nine of your skin colors yeah full ones
on the
i’ll tell you what you find on the minds
i don’t know where it saved you from
that but he said well yeah for you
though nothing for me i was like all
right so he said to you
innocent guy but you just you just
mentioned it while we were
and i just happened to mention it to my
my quite tall friend you know i mean
some moms like oh yeah
that thing is mine you know i was like
oh that was mine how does that guy know
where who he took it from he don’t know
does it so you could just lynch it off
and straight and say that’s mine
no no what happened so we went to the
guy’s yard to test it in we want to get
it and we went to the guys whoever it
was
and we’re there yeah going mad i came to
the door not nothing it was like a
little complex thing okay like that like
you coming to a little mini car park
and he was in his mum’s car when we went
around as well i didn’t know this so we
hopped i got to the guy’s flat yeah say
oh it’s me it’s me but the guys look for
the thing and seeing my man going no
[ __ ]
so what happened then tommy you got paid
i’m telling you no one got paid why
[Music]
one two three and then heard the thing
is they come in here they surround the
car party they’re surrounded the car
there’s no way out in this building yet
but
man it’s gone from a first story window
on the corridor and [ __ ] dropped it
you know i mean before they’ve got a
chance to surround the building he just
dropped it straight from the first win
the first floor bang must’ve been a long
drop but he’s so long wasn’t even longer
for it
you know what i mean by the time he’s
hung down and dropped it’s probably like
[ __ ] like seven foot for him to drop
a little bit for me yeah yeah yeah
long
i was left in the building i didn’t get
it it was just a [ __ ] it’s my fault
because it’s just he’s not like that
we’re all legitimate guys but he just
did it
and then we’re in the building and then
so i seen him in the car park pulling up
so i’m looking at the top so i’m going
to look at him coming in looking [ __ ]
where do i go
[ __ ] man even knows my name is where i
live everything they got it right on
that obviously on the door
i ran right right down to the very very
bottom stairs under the [ __ ]
stairwell and i seen a piece on his
[ __ ] foot you know me looking around
the corner
and he got shot back up done i got away
with the skin of my teeth [ __ ] pen
there no never
but then i had to reverse his mom’s car
yeah i could drive
i could not drive right now
he’s driving oh yeah i could drive now
but even then yeah even now i still get
bumpy driving this morning
it was brand new spanking [ __ ] thing
it looked [ __ ] amazing you know i
mean
just been washed and [ __ ] you know what
i mean and i’ve got a
the fez is actively on site bro you know
what i mean
and i swear though it was a [ __ ]
he gonna cross the road as well so i’m
just sat with this car that i don’t own
you know
i think you podcast still the other day
i’m bullied in that i see yeah i see you
please for this got someone got done
there was running
[Music]
someone stabbed up on that yeah oh
someone got ran over whatever i don’t
know i tried rude after
the barbershop is bleed yeah someone got
done there as well recently
you you i seen your podcast yeah yeah it
might have been that day though you know
yeah please stay pleased
it off and all that come on
i was only seeing because i just
happened to be on scene i didn’t get
called or let no one lets me know what’s
going on i ain’t really got one of their
phones at rings as you can see because
for this whole podcast
you know what i mean when you show me
the wounds you got i never imagined
you’ve been through that because i’ve
never imagined it i can’t change like
see like i’ve seen you before and after
another one
you know at one stage i used to be like
twelve tall stones
twelve stones like couple pounds and
that that’s your mental strength
obviously you’re strong with that drops
in your mental stuff this is amazing oh
i’m strong still i do i’m strong i’m not
i’m not that strong but you know i could
do 40 vessels 50 pesos i think that yes
i could do 50 percent same wow yeah but
obviously i’m smoking that i might be
lying but you know when you’re fighting
this different effects i mean you can
control your adrenaline you breathe
different you breathe out you know your
nose to get oxygen to your muscles for
the people that don’t know
end of the day it’s just a risk and it’s
like a thing that we like we
all right
it’s only gallium
you know
yeah podcast is a mad new thing because
it does really give people a chance to
sit in a room with you and it’s a
different vibe like you can feel your
vibe i’m sure you can feel the vibe
of the microphone because usually i’m a
strong presence you know i mean you know
you know i usually dominate people that
i sit around but you yeah i mean you’ve
got a strong energy manifest
i wonder y’all
i’m a baby man how old are you about 35
babies yeah man
i like you
now your brother is all your brother’s
[ __ ] no
i
me i’ve done so much since [ __ ]
school i did a lot at school as well
both schools
you know what i don’t feel
real talk yeah for you to say that i
need to think what i’m thinking oh i’ve
done so much here forget
more
yeah i’ve been through so much as well
but you know
i don’t remember that yeah i didn’t like
that no no i just wake up every day like
it’s fresh in it no it’s fresh yeah for
you yeah it’s just a blessing then you
[ __ ] look at your quest but like it’s
an effort to be like it’s not like it’s
not really like that i just say that i
wish i could go back to school i say
like it’s just a regime i say it is that
and then it is that and i say is that
your mentality is yeah this is a fresh
day in it bro so no matter what i feel
like right right no matter what you’re
like okay you’re talking village fees
military [ __ ] yeah so you could pump
something one minute next week you’re
waking up
[Music]
all of them guys are straight yeah
what’s the first thing they do when they
get pee
[ __ ] up not they go to casinos to
hookers or [ __ ] to dangerous things
with criminal sort of um
what type of people are today because i
i was doing this
i’ve seen money so they’ve done in the
past but i mean nowadays that’s what and
that’s what most people who have got
money they like to flaunt it and the
lights are you know what i mean to be in
the in crowd they’re like i’ve never
flaunted you ever no no no no you’re
getting the jewelry forget the jewelry
yeah you did yeah you did fly
the diamond
the diamond necklaces and braces it for
one time i received wearing them yeah
but usually you are very very modest
humble yeah man you’re humble yeah
yeah i got nothing yeah cool i haven’t
got enough of it yeah
to actually have practical experience
you need to have some credit work
history you know i mean i ain’t got no
work history to say oh yeah i can do
this job i’ve never worked tonight in
this dress this is a wait time to do it
for myself that’s what i’m going to try
and do to get off the door i’m going to
double in it yes
you know i mean effects
employment support
what’s wrong with that no nothing’s
wrong with it nothing’s wrong with it
there’s a lot wrong with it really
because you’re not paying your way in
society really i don’t really feel like
um i’m [ __ ] doing it with myself you
don’t know right so i think at least if
i do a podcast of me living this life is
i’m doing something while i’m living
this life and cause i do look for jobs
at the same time you know what i mean yo
you know what it’s it’s it’s it’s a nice
thing for you to say that you know
you’re looking for because you know you
know i don’t take it for granted you
know i mean i do like want to get off it
immediately you know i mean but i don’t
want to um put myself in a situation
where i get hurt all the people get hurt
or anything
i mean not like physically or anything
but i just mean like where they waste
money employing or training me off or
something if i can’t fulfill it at all
but what do you feel like you can do
this or hurt their pocket to give me the
chance do you know what i mean i want to
know that i’m a guarantee of [ __ ]
why’d you feel like you could do that
what do you feel like
that’s that’s a question so that’s a
good question that’s a [ __ ] good
question it’s a good spirit massive
it’s a bit looser
up on the side
did it didn’t give a [ __ ]
it’s like a bro
i wish i had that
[Music]
but you know what i’m straight off the
streets isn’t it you see me on the
streets now i’ll come
he’s like yeah let’s do it right now oh
all right now he’s like yeah let’s do it
right now it’s like all right cool
shout out to big jack
yeah man for real big jacking up shout
out to shout out to my big brother
daughter
for you brothers man
archer
all my nephews
all the brothers that are growing me
like grammy grinding on the streets
there’s nothing like that
yeah come on follow up on the podcast
yeah
the [ __ ] if you want to come tell your
story about a little craft story or a
little little story where you’ve changed
your life around like affairs and you
don’t do that [ __ ] anymore and you’re
like i’ve been good man yeah get your
gcses
and you got to still be here to tell the
story of you know that life and not be
in prison telling it or you know what i
mean all [ __ ] dead telling it
you can’t because
my brother my brother was going to blow
up on that prisoners are going to let
him in and and hear your story indeed if
you want but you know what he’s saying
don’t go to prison but i do challenge
you know what let me tell you something
you know what it’s real talk bro
from my real
you’ve got someone that’s younger than
you that’s hencher than you stronger
than you
uniforms yeah the guy like hedge six
foot five oh yeah he’s [ __ ] oh
i’m like oh you’re like me but i’ve
always been nicer because yeah
this is a nice light but you’re a
thankful friend
i’m such a nice guy
because these views
in it yeah kids out here you just don’t
want to go to jail man that’s a whole
different thing you’re cheating like a
dumb man people shaving you can’t even
shave them
let me take you over oh it’s hard in
there what in the finger i can’t shake
take a picture to take a picture of you
you have to look like that yeah because
all together yeah yeah i don’t want to
see you on your id card because you look
different
it’s not you you go through a whole
different
good point yes it’s in the original on
the original idea oh yeah
just don’t give a [ __ ] i got lost off a
manslaughter as well no joke i got
locked up from manslaughter
i had about 15 charges
he paid money he paid money and you got
certain things you know you have to pay
you have to pay you have to pay your way
you’ve got me because for me because i
don’t i couldn’t handle prison first
time i couldn’t do a free spirit
once thought were charges i’m looking
eight years seven years six years four
years and i [ __ ] did watching csi
[ __ ] 18 19. a man with 40 15 bigger
than me and i was [ __ ] i couldn’t eat
no smoking
[ __ ]
you have to wash your own box of shorts
because i didn’t know the regime had to
go to the gym to get to the laundry
function yeah
i didn’t want to drink the juice because
people told me i had to get you as well
everyone’s a man over there everyone
just wants to do the thing you get your
food no one talks about your football
food you gotta be all yeah yeah it’s a
different different juvenile detention
center
you don’t want to go there trust me what
the [ __ ] is this there’s just there’s a
bullying about the esso
how could you avoid it you can’t avoid
you know where to go like what the [ __ ]
is that you know you’ve got these
[ __ ] these
hardened criminals on your case i don’t
know how they were no they’re all good
in this door just do stupid [ __ ] i’m
just a sensible person i’m just sensible
you’re getting sensible as i can be
that’s why you’re
to you’re the only [ __ ] guy i could
think of like when i’ve seen you females
opportunity to see you you know i mean
you’re a rare guy to see you know i mean
like say you haven’t been running for so
long and even when you’re on the end you
just
you know i mean
i’m there but you know what i’m
thanks everyone for listening but you
know what i’ve got to get to bed because
my sleeping routine is terrible yeah we
of the law
as well no joke i got locked up from
manslaughter
i had about 15 charges
welcome to not start online podcast
you’re recording right now yeah we’re
recording right now bro bastard i’ve
seen
my guy around the corner him and his
brothers are thicker is a bit longer
than that
he’s going on a few years oh yeah yeah
but obviously
you know what he’s feeling before me you
know me you know my your you know my
oldest and that yeah you know
from the first time i met you in that my
old son
oh
um last time i almost heard from you you
had a bit of uh bits and bobs going off
uh he was quite heavily involved in the
game i heard that you’ve cleared up your
back now you’re not um no no no i’ve
done my thing both you know anyone
around ng2 you know
they know about his brother’s boy yeah i
do my thing i’ve been doing my thing for
a hot second or not but you know what it
is when i mean in the hot second decade
it’s not even like off okay but
you know i’ve not progressed in that but
you know sometimes
mind over matter really you can have pee
but you know like i said like i said to
you though you could have money you
could buy a bed but you [ __ ]
can’t get no sleep yeah no you could buy
a club yeah but you’re not getting time
or whatever the [ __ ] when everybody in
the morning
it’s a blessing to have so many women
around y’all
that are nice of you in that but you see
what it is like i said to you look up
you know i do my thing shout out to phil
you know sometimes you can sit somewhere
with no money yeah and getting cheated
like a king
about two things
but let me say a lot of muslims are nice
a lot of white people in the world yeah
yeah yeah yeah you know you know
i’m always promoting you know this guy’s
half asian brother
[Applause]
hey you see a lot of muslims like this
and like that when you get a lot of
white people like this and like that and
black people like oh you can’t
generalize you see what it is you have
to understand one thing yeah where we
come from
about it
good question
that’s a good question
yeah pick it there you go easy life or
something easy life for some people is
paying their bills and living comfy like
man like me i’ve never paid bills
mortgages yeah
asian yeah our asians work yeah yeah
that’s got so many answers
you know i mean because they had
children and everything i’ve got no kids
not this i just thought you know what
i’m going to hold back from that life
because it’s just a sacrifice [ __ ]
take mine if you want yeah
if you want you could i’m dead
enough of them the [ __ ] oh this is a
my oldest is seventies
unfortunately yeah yeah yeah yeah but
yeah she’s good now my oldest is
something and no i fought with him i
talked to him he’s all right you know i
mean and
my second is my daughter my third i got
another boy
it is what it is phil you know
you know what it is boys like i said to
you on the way down yeah boys when you
when you fall over you call for who your
mom yeah yeah
oh mama mama with the girls fall over
daddy
yeah i mean it is what it is but go back
so many hundreds of you know hundreds of
years
[Music]
people talk about slavery like oh this
and that and this and that but it’s like
modern day slavery is in britain
why not shot some jobs you’ll get them
cali
if not come
all in it that’s what i like about you
first man you’re always nice to everyone
you’re always you’re always cool man
yeah man you’re nice to me you know what
you know what the people saying my cool
shirt you’re gonna say another video
everyone likes i never knew i’m talking
[ __ ] about you from you know what i mean
i respect
a bit different yeah we’ve got we’ve got
we’ve got wound crime we’ve got knife
crime we’ve got we’ve got drug culture
but i think you know we don’t really
hear about murders we hear about a
little beef that’s called this stuff but
it’s it’s really human
this is a place where you can come
together
i don’t i don’t hold a grudge against
them do you know what i mean that hold a
grudge because they are aware because
i’m probably doing things wrong as well
it is as long as someone’s trying to
burn your hearts down
[ __ ] it breaking hearts is a part of the
game yeah as long as so much has to
ignite your [ __ ] ass and burn your
ass yeah yeah yeah you get me if they’ve
got a chest in the ove kingdom that’s
the kingdom but you know yeah yeah it is
what it is anyway yeah
it’s one minute it’s one man a bit he’s
like i’m sorry i am professional nothing
you paid though
i didn’t [ __ ] tonight
just by chance you know what i mean what
for the sex in it no not for the sex bro
you’re gonna leave disrespectful
people have yeah for real man
but they are evidence of
the fact that you know like the wives
are really [ __ ] good wives mind
they’re really [ __ ] really good
really like really like that called you
do you are just don’t give them kids is
that what it is
[Music]
what went wrong with england here was
when yeah the women got into feminists
and started burning bra started leaving
the ass not around for the kids the kids
didn’t get you know
holy play all right let me see let me
finish that situation how come there’s
no more churches left yeah i don’t know
this is more must than churches
because
there is no because
because there is no moderation
no there is
i mean the reason why i think that
australia is around
what you’re going to say what was it so
the church you’re losing for the
churches yeah disappearing and
everything in england yet it’s
unfortunately i believe because the
family unit was hurt you know what i
mean by the women going out to work and
stuff like that you know what i mean
women talking about women
right now i mean no no no no no because
the dad wants it that way because a dad
provides a woman loves her [ __ ]
husband and she wants every
high standard as possible well my
husband comes at him i want to be nice
and confident
it was like that it started changing you
know you know what i say to my oh shout
out
shout out to rage i’ll shout out to the
because you’ve done a lot of stuff i
know you’ve done high level stuff for a
long time i don’t know what we’re going
to go we’re going to go on another
podcast in the area yeah we’re gonna
pull up to people and let them see what
what their fault
i know i don’t know over the years i’ve
worn you down a bit and you thought you
know what it feels all right yeah
yeah we work together yeah you
you are what you want
yeah well it’s beautiful to be
[ __ ] alive and uh what happened
then when you got fingered then was it
dangerous what happened yeah you know
what it is there’s another no i’ve got
shank i’ve got something five times
people talk five times five times
[ __ ] home i’m so glad you’re alive
you know yeah i don’t know but you see
what it is
sometimes
[Music]
from that’s just head topped one more oh
i’ve gone yeah got a corn yeah it got
done two two caliber 20 22 you put it in
your cycling that but yeah yeah yeah
yeah
you’ve done enough to hit the boat in
the [ __ ]
up there i
you don’t like the same old guy like
from every day i’ve seen you very
consistently well i’ve been actually a
shout out to my
a lot of people [ __ ] about me
you know what it is
yeah but you see what it is
you see what it is
the reality is this might be true i
don’t even know it might be [ __ ] it
might hurt it though yeah it might be
shoe it might be false just did you just
say view in it but you see what it is
what i’ve noticed yeah is that when you
when when you look good on eid
you know what eid is it yeah christmas
you see not white my name don’t hate me
like that because when we go to westwood
road tomorrow and we’ve got 30 black
and a few other people patrick paddy
yeah
when i was a kid what’s that a knife
ruined again yeah i got shanked i got
sliced on my on my leg both legs
but it’s like it’s painful that one
doesn’t matter
yeah put your finger in here don’t
wonder man y’all put your finger in this
[ __ ]
come on
what’s the future saying for you then
bro what are you on this podcasting or
what don’t you want to like like borrow
my studio to do postcards with your
emails you know i need you to come with
me
with a video
let’s go
a lot of people not to do nowhere wrong
yeah
somebody knows them yeah and you’ve done
them wrong right words and then dave and
[ ] these are getting their [ ]
your mom’s tv as
things are going up like petrol i don’t
even drive dude i haven’t drive my butt
my mates have been having their bills go
up like five dollars a month extra
because they’re driving jobs because
they’re doing driving jobs so like you
pay your own wages
my left hand’s up because you know
headshot mode really can’t feel it what
can
inflation everything’s going up yeah
they’re saying england’s going to be
fought the same the titans have turned
in it obviously america’s falling on it
you know i mean like the the story the
prophecy is coming true in it yeah
prophecy i said that yeah yeah
everything you do you feel quite living
two kingdoms
[Music]
but you know what i will flex on your
[ __ ] arshia and go to florida but
you’re almost covered in divers
you come back you fall this is my
t-shirt by the way buy it or not start
online forward slash nft get yourself a
robin hood t-shirt what is that yours
yeah shout out where’s mine there yeah
i’ll go for it no they said i swear
i know him he’s like oh what the [ __ ]
he’s doing you don’t have to come off
that back right now i’m saying yeah yeah
right now i didn’t ruin you over on it i
see your face on it and he gave me
around another guy
i just know about myself and i can watch
myself i don’t know about it i’m feeling
as well i love good things you’ve got
five [ __ ] around him i can’t vouch
for him
yeah i’m saying that a lot of people go
through my [ __ ] in life yeah i’ve never
done hard drugs like that yet but i know
that sometimes yeah they might have been
tricked into the right man you know how
that man’s life how it came about you
know i mean you just don’t know
but there’s no excuses for it like you
say but you know i never judge a man but
i’ve got no addictions live but you know
what some things are difficult
what your addiction isn’t it sometimes
it’s something madness that’s not
nothing to do with drugs you put it to
the lifestyle some people are dangerous
to drugs some people are addicted to
gambling some people are addicted to
making money yeah some people are
addicted to [ __ ] yeah some people you
know
shout out to get to me once in a pub
yeah are you going to see this yo he
said to me you said you could you okay
listen to me you could you could trust
someone with with with your drugs but
you can’t trust him with your money i’ve
given him this much and i tested him and
he it’s a point [ __ ] fall down he’s
lifting you know you can all we in the
lifestyle we’ve lived and the age we are
we we
clever enough to enjoy yeah of course
yeah because people have been there and
done it themselves aren’t there so we
know what’s going on
just like our parents you say to us
don’t do this you know what tomorrow
you’re gonna and it’s true tomorrow we
see it hard so now we’re gonna do our
gamble now we have to make any means
necessary to [ __ ] so but you
know it is yeah i’m thankful to my
parents and i’m thankful to
the
fat food to england
yeah what the [ __ ] with that free nhs
free like i said before yeah
all right it is what it is it’s what
you’re making
i’ve given
i’ve not been that successful i’ve not
really been involved in crime like
heavily that much that’s all really i’m
it’s just mental health it’s just so
hard sometimes people you know i mean
because it’s stupid and you’ve childish
or it’s just like you need to grow up i
need to grow up or whatever it’s like i
don’t want to throw my life away or
anyone’s hurt anyone or anything what
you know because the end of the day
anger does wear off if you can find
something to to
channel it or waits or something or
something
yeah
it’s really really ticked all my boxes
really but sometimes yeah
i’m the worst guy to ask questions but i
can’t back out about me i’ll tell you
whatever you want but not about shout
out to my own podcast because i feel
soon yeah because you don’t want to
answer questions though not about other
people
i don’t know
i caught me off with a fallout what is
she what is [ __ ] is she human but she’s
not eating this [ __ ]
right i’ve not really hit my target yeah
i’m not really hitting no marks yet i’ve
always been part of all people’s lives
if you’re not i mean like sometimes i
think that’s a new one on my own so i
know ain’t going to go nowhere because
you’re watching the channel
though so she doesn’t need to move in
she doesn’t think that come on you know
you do your thing i need to get a
[ __ ] job one or something or do
something with my life i mean like this
podcasting it’s all right and everything
but
trying knowing it i’m trying i’m trying
my life i’m not really trying i’m not
really trying i’m just podcasting is
like this much in my my whole week in it
i’m just [ __ ] yeah i wake up in the
morning like you said i’m going to do a
podcast i don’t want to
edit it tomorrow night let’s let’s let’s
travel isn’t it that’s cool that’s good
places
multicultural team people if you’re busy
you said you put your gloves up man you
put them off again
you know you’ve got to deliver something
to society what do they want come with
us
we’ll show you the date every podcast so
yeah we’re linking up this place blah
blah blah call with us
can we [ __ ] get in peru i’ll be
anywhere with you
the next podcast rap
if i’m not in them
i want criminal stories and [ __ ] people
that wanted people want to hear because
we were a bit cagey
we got a couple people yeah you know i
don’t know
how people were really
you know too heavy man i don’t know
i’m on my own with cameras and mics and
uh in dangerous places where people are
making real money and i mean they just
don’t want to see me doing that it’s a
bit i wouldn’t want to see it i’d kick
him off the block i’d be like oh maybe
that’s what they say i feel they know
you enough but you know what it is they
don’t want to get the last one they were
nice to me but really truthfully i mind
my business that’s why they’re nice
changing about what i’m saying needs to
do end of the day
any money i can do anything like that
man
any man can do anything
give up on me
to my brother’s
oh my god dog needs to come and see me
because i’m full he used to reward him
you know
how quick you know you [ __ ] hear me
i don’t want to be a player kid i don’t
know [ __ ] put bets on that make sure
that bastard [ __ ] wins
quicker the worst thing i’ve ever done
gambling not horses and sports is long
drawn up no ari puffs yeah and what the
[ __ ] got certain horses on bastards i
yeah
i didn’t know a couple hours back in the
day when i was about 20. i’m talking
about saudi arabia yeah they’re popping
ones yeah pop ones yeah yeah yeah
probably own horses
yeah 50 million for a horse no one got a
jaguar gold jacket i wouldn’t look gold
it’s like gold colored jack top of the
range uh for his 21st birthday was
rolling down hockey yeah drunk about
three in the morning with him he was
like that [ __ ] i was like because
obviously he’s younger than usual yeah
big people yeah he like scraped down
somebody’s like oh well you know what i
mean you should i just thought i’m
getting out this guy this guy’s mad like
they’re mad they’ve got big people
yeah you’re going to tell me tomorrow
are you chatting [ __ ] to me
but why not that we should be grateful
because another day not income is the
sort of place where it’s invested
they’ve invested in that seat i’m
grateful for him to be here
that’s a lot of money getting splashed
around and not in a minute i know he’s
creating a lot of inflation with the
house price and stuff like that and
renting and stuff like but end of the
day that’s a lot of people getting paid
if it’s coming to nottingham i’m happy
one
for that a little bit because i’m really
normal
generation even saying that it’s
anything
yeah but i don’t want zeppelin
so what you see normal the point is
yeah the normal night
you know you know generational money is
beautiful yeah and you’ve got 100
million you know you could put 50
million under your mattress buy 20 cars
100 200 thousand pounds worth of jewelry
buy your baby between my baby with
buying [ ] asses i still got [ ]
so many millions yeah but you’ve only
got one move yeah between five brothers
yeah i know you’re [ __ ]
you get 15 family members yeah
yeah yeah oh you got two movies
yeah yeah yeah yeah birthdays come every
year [ __ ] christmas comes easter
comes [ ] everything comes [ ]
happy bunny [ ] [ ] you name it
fourth of july [ __ ] it up well there’s
no rest for the best
once around here check it i had 30
people against me
all these like yeah
40 of them yeah yeah yeah yeah
yeah
big old school business
you know
again yeah what all these my comments no
i don’t say that
[Music]
with him and stuff like that and every
single day i see him and we talk holy
stuff
he talks on the heart bro
that’s how i remember i don’t know from
nothing nobody knows that i’ve never
seen him back to anybody so you might
know the old one under the new one
that’s why i can’t have that talk yeah
like i said before 99 of the time your
own people take you out you know you’re
talking about them yo this is the papers
bro
real talk for tv yeah
let the people know what the truth is
i
but i’ve got love for everyone yeah i’m
with you in it because of you i should
love to have you all right
if it weren’t for you if i had anything
no one knows
my recordings
but not everyone’s like sometimes they
get offended very easily no i can sit
with you comfortably that’s why i know
you’re sick i can sit with you i can sit
with you
um so if you’re gonna give someone
someone after being shanked five times
yeah i’m getting ahead for my podcast
what advice would you give me yo don’t
do no [ ] up [ ] you know just you
know it’s people out there that are uh
stronger than me bigger than me better
than me of course you know a lot of
people of course look in person you’re
in person
i
i was away for the half of the second
year whatever it was i was there i was
only there for like two years and i must
have missed half the year like 50
attendance yeah and they’re not going to
stop me from doing that that’s how i’m
at isn’t it i had discipline yeah you
wish you could go back to school
no no
i wish i could go back to it you know so
you got regret i forgot to get his head
up a bit more regret is it yeah
don’t know the work environment for it i
just know that
it’s just nice to
know what it is my nephews are doing it
my kids are doing it yeah yeah i’m just
going to maintain what the [ __ ] got for
mortgages yeah of course you are going
to maintain nothing
yeah questions
yeah
i want i want to keep charity the way
you travel
straight yeah
real talk for tv there’s [ __ ] you
think for us is taking me somewhere
equity is not equity gets run out now
it’s 2022. shout out to the people
trying to make it 200 300 400 bucks
[ __ ] bro real talk might be anything
to ask about me but it ain’t nothing the
government the system how it works right
now you’re going to be it’s different
but i want to leave a couple houses for
my kids yeah i want to be different yeah
yeah that’s nice if you’ve done that
that is amazing
yeah
like good credit and a job and all that
sort of stuff man i think that’s the
only way in life that you can do it
manifest you know i mean
plastic
is not good money but it is like good
money because if you speculate with your
credit investments they really doesn’t
cost you anything like people don’t buy
a house on a credit card don’t know and
they pay zero percent finance on it then
they’ve got an itemized bill of
everything they’ve done for the flaws
and [ __ ] and then bam they’re going to
pay off the thing once a month for
whatever through the rent payback or
whatever and this is right no no yeah
you know what it is a couple yards you
want to come for your yard
mortgage you put money down on it you
have to find a solicitor put your rights
through and then you’re going to pay
[Music]
40 grand up front you have to pay 42 43.
that’s how the [ __ ] system is
but yeah you have to start from
somewhere but i’m thankful for you know
my and and how it is but i’m just saying
you’re not my [ __ ] because i’m just i’m
just living at the moment
i’m teaching the kids mind that’s not
doing it because i i never got i was
thinking about doing a um online course
for kids who are off school like a
[ __ ] just a simple
little course you know
yeah for real you know
i’ll do that yeah
with that learning difficulties yeah
just normal just one more slow just like
even i could learn it like anyone could
learn and just you know start from the
times tables and then the abcs and just
do it slowly slowly slowly and just
swell you know easily you know i mean
you know even
history in there
yeah you know once
phil you know what me and you have been
both been through science and [ __ ]
double technology and then them classes
but
you don’t wish that
our father because the end of the day i
could have stayed on my engineering
apprenticeship if i wanted to i’m going
to do it yeah you could have a [ __ ]
corner i’m glad i didn’t know
because they said to me oh look in the
car park you see that knot you need to
go in with you
like that yeah i knew i tried to be a
raffle why am not here she’s only trying
to be a rapper once isn’t it
i didn’t make a lot of chats
huh i didn’t make it like i did try
harder i did all right i did better than
anyone else don’t ever give up yeah let
me say something to you you know what
you know what you just said something to
me yeah forget all this history and all
this because we were at school but we we
didn’t you know before can’t wait to
[ __ ] lesson finishes yeah real talk
yeah
let’s open somewhere we could [ __ ]
channel people
kids with [ __ ] problems yeah but
there’s no excuses because the internet
does provide a way to learn and if and
if a kid wants to know how to do
something they can’t find out if they
needed to say
but interacting with someone is
different yeah you’re all right getting
indie physically different
yeah it’s it’s a whole different right
we’ve got cool tables yeah we’ve got
this talk to us we can relate to them
you don’t have to fight him i’ve done it
look at these scores do you want to make
a [ __ ] um cic um community interest
company i don’t know about that but i’ll
pull with you yeah i don’t know we’ll do
that you know because you could be um a
mentor you could you know i’ve been
through that [ __ ]
i talked to him but i don’t want paid or
not and i’ll just do it for you guys
i’ll just do it for you
as long as as long as we’ve got respect
in the hood of course in the hood when
they when they pass by here they make
out yo this is phil’s wood
i’m definitely a guest in this hood man
because i’m not actually from this
foreign i haven’t been there 20 years
but to me that’s how mad i am you know
what i mean
i don’t know if you’re my god it’s my
hood then i’ve been jailed
off my nice play football as well for
the leagues and she just know nothing on
that because you play every team in
nottingham right now it’s beef they
haven’t ran into it
beef everywhere why is it beef
everywhere
remember you had a couple beefs down
here didn’t you what happened one of
these
on westwood remember you was it you or
yeah it was you in it so what happened
what did you [ __ ] someone up a couple of
times
oh you mean oh did you see that
cool man on westward yeah yeah what was
going off on that did i [ __ ] up on
this one i’m like i did you’ve been a
violent guy nice
i don’t know all i know is that when i
leave around here i’ll just put a rest
on because we’re done with it right it’s
the best thing because there’s people
from other areas coming by they’re
stabbing around a man sure really
investigating
i think it’s good to start the podcast
with an hour and 20 minutes thank you
for your time bro you know what i mean
and if you do want to be a co-host or if
you want to podcast anyone you can come
by and podcast with me for the time
what did that yeah i don’t know what was
wrong with her
and all these crowded people around her
whatever and she’s like then she stood
up like she’s all right
and she stumbled around a bit and it’s
like a [ __ ] sake i just thought it was
your drunk issue
she’s probably [ __ ] well yeah some
kind of truck she’s like some kind of
shout out to her yeah shout out to him
but she just [ __ ] kept walking around
in circles for [ __ ] like two and a
half hours i tried to get her a taxi
find her address oh there’s a [ __ ]
absolute nightmare anytime right now i
feel like that’s not obvious before i
seen you that’s what i was doing i’m
following this this this girl yeah she’s
getting things like this here
she was doing walking around town and
she just stopped
yeah she was [ __ ] md that me and she
was gonna up and reaching for stuff that
weren’t there and then and she stabbed
it up and uh you’re just a hard work she
was sat in the doorway for about half an
hour this is hard work because like i
don’t want to walk away and leave her
but i thought
why half step i’m not half stepper like
that in the end i had to [ __ ] leave
it because she kept turning around
sometimes you have to leave people after
five taxes bro i realized that she ain’t
even that [ __ ] she’s just being a
[ __ ] attention
[ __ ] me my left hand yeah shut up my
nerves are fortunate yeah yeah what what
so you can’t feel it at all i can’t feel
nothing to keep dropping things you know
really you’re not nervous no
dropped my flag chop my spiff a couple
of times he’s getting old as well when
mine isn’t as good as he used to be man
oh my god oh my god because your right
side of your head controls your left
side
down myself you know this man you know
he’s bastard yeah you just got to do
that and you just got to flex it every
day whatever you [ __ ] better you use
your left hand more than it that’s what
i would [ __ ] do
come on fine you know what i mean you
got to use it more
like you talking about it says that you
need to address it
i want to see you use it to fail well i
know that i’ve come back
[Laughter]
lobster and all that
salt fish and salt fish yeah [ __ ]
tilapia all types of fish all types of
fish
fish that taste like chicken broth when
you buy it it feels like chick that
bites oh different i’ve been dating
turkey yeah yeah i’ve been turkey three
times spain i only went to new mainland
spain spain was all right still i i
[ __ ] up in spain still because i had a
fight and i got locked up for three days
two days what was that about just just
just didn’t want to dance with a female
because i thought you know what my idea
would accuse you because you know it’s
the first time i went to maine that’s me
and i thought you know it didn’t matter
you’re trying to get you [ __ ] in that
you got me out dancing with her next to
me she’s making out oh i really yeah be
careful yeah yeah hey i didn’t know what
you to trust right now
[ __ ] his girls on top of him and um i
don’t know i just got arrested by the
time i got home and got nicked
what nick’s asked what’s he like at the
sales
[ __ ] eight man in one cell brother oh
[ __ ] you know how to speak sweater huh
they went to sleep no cushion well it’s
just just one bed in it i mean ever
however many man can get under one bed
in the [ ] you know the questions [ ]
all that just just open bars you get mad
there’s you you’re just in the basement
bro yeah that’s what
it is one yeah just like a little hole
you have to you have to sit down on the
floor and [ __ ] yeah like and like a walk
like a wall there or something something
you’re there for three days the two days
like a day like a day like a whole night
the next day in the evening i went to
court so basically a day i’m off i
wanted to say that there’s a court
translation i’m [ __ ] oh you know i
just got away didn’t it i’m never going
back to spain you’re my brother
i think i got a warrant on my name yeah
don’t name me
a few times but yeah
certain places do not get nicked in it
yeah
turkey i didn’t [ __ ] about you get me
that man will shoot you dead enough
with the buttons and [ __ ] buttons
they’ll put you in a field in that shoot
you didn’t make how you doing this and
that well
yeah that’s a funny thing that’s a funny
thing [ __ ] it actually i was just well i
was i’m glad to be back from [ __ ]
spain for that all right i’m going to
jamaica soon
yeah guys you’re making the characters
making
it to get there though it’s [ __ ]
miles away i don’t know but i need to
make a couple
me phil i’m not ma’am podcast man what’s
going on wake up yeah no yeah
welcome to the last online podcast let’s
get the questions now all right this is
this guy in the back of that’s called
jimmy
yeah he he he once came to me and said
oh i found
nine fingers
of [ __ ] that color same as that
cushion
yeah
you find
what basically nine of me in it
michaela michael yeah yeah yeah
nine of your skin colors yeah full ones
on the
i’ll tell you what you find on the minds
i don’t know where it saved you from
that but he said well yeah for you
though nothing for me i was like all
right so he said to you
innocent guy but you just you just
mentioned it while we were
and i just happened to mention it to my
my quite tall friend you know i mean
some moms like oh yeah
that thing is mine you know i was like
oh that was mine how does that guy know
where who he took it from he don’t know
does it so you could just lynch it off
and straight and say that’s mine
no no what happened so we went to the
guy’s yard to test it in we want to get
it and we went to the guys whoever it
was
and we’re there yeah going mad i came to
the door not nothing it was like a
little complex thing okay like that like
you coming to a little mini car park
and he was in his mum’s car when we went
around as well i didn’t know this so we
hopped i got to the guy’s flat yeah say
oh it’s me it’s me but the guys look for
the thing and seeing my man going no
[ __ ]
so what happened then tommy you got paid
i’m telling you no one got paid why
[Music]
one two three and then heard the thing
is they come in here they surround the
car party they’re surrounded the car
there’s no way out in this building yet
but
man it’s gone from a first story window
on the corridor and [ __ ] dropped it
you know i mean before they’ve got a
chance to surround the building he just
dropped it straight from the first win
the first floor bang must’ve been a long
drop but he’s so long wasn’t even longer
for it
you know what i mean by the time he’s
hung down and dropped it’s probably like
[ __ ] like seven foot for him to drop
a little bit for me yeah yeah yeah
long
i was left in the building i didn’t get
it it was just a [ __ ] it’s my fault
because it’s just he’s not like that
we’re all legitimate guys but he just
did it
and then we’re in the building and then
so i seen him in the car park pulling up
so i’m looking at the top so i’m going
to look at him coming in looking [ __ ]
where do i go
[ __ ] man even knows my name is where i
live everything they got it right on
that obviously on the door
i ran right right down to the very very
bottom stairs under the [ __ ]
stairwell and i seen a piece on his
[ __ ] foot you know me looking around
the corner
and he got shot back up done i got away
with the skin of my teeth [ __ ] pen
there no never
but then i had to reverse his mom’s car
yeah i could drive
i could not drive right now
he’s driving oh yeah i could drive now
but even then yeah even now i still get
bumpy driving this morning
it was brand new spanking [ __ ] thing
it looked [ __ ] amazing you know i
mean
just been washed and [ __ ] you know what
i mean and i’ve got a
the fez is actively on site bro you know
what i mean
and i swear though it was a [ __ ]
he gonna cross the road as well so i’m
just sat with this car that i don’t own
you know
i think you podcast still the other day
i’m bullied in that i see yeah i see you
please for this got someone got done
there was running
[Music]
someone stabbed up on that yeah oh
someone got ran over whatever i don’t
know i tried rude after
the barbershop is bleed yeah someone got
done there as well recently
you you i seen your podcast yeah yeah it
might have been that day though you know
yeah please stay pleased
it off and all that come on
i was only seeing because i just
happened to be on scene i didn’t get
called or let no one lets me know what’s
going on i ain’t really got one of their
phones at rings as you can see because
for this whole podcast
you know what i mean when you show me
the wounds you got i never imagined
you’ve been through that because i’ve
never imagined it i can’t change like
see like i’ve seen you before and after
another one
you know at one stage i used to be like
twelve tall stones
twelve stones like couple pounds and
that that’s your mental strength
obviously you’re strong with that drops
in your mental stuff this is amazing oh
i’m strong still i do i’m strong i’m not
i’m not that strong but you know i could
do 40 vessels 50 pesos i think that yes
i could do 50 percent same wow yeah but
obviously i’m smoking that i might be
lying but you know when you’re fighting
this different effects i mean you can
control your adrenaline you breathe
different you breathe out you know your
nose to get oxygen to your muscles for
the people that don’t know
end of the day it’s just a risk and it’s
like a thing that we like we
all right
it’s only gallium
you know
yeah podcast is a mad new thing because
it does really give people a chance to
sit in a room with you and it’s a
different vibe like you can feel your
vibe i’m sure you can feel the vibe
of the microphone because usually i’m a
strong presence you know i mean you know
you know i usually dominate people that
i sit around but you yeah i mean you’ve
got a strong energy manifest
i wonder y’all
i’m a baby man how old are you about 35
babies yeah man
i like you
now your brother is all your brother’s
[ __ ] no
i
me i’ve done so much since [ __ ]
school i did a lot at school as well
both schools
you know what i don’t feel
real talk yeah for you to say that i
need to think what i’m thinking oh i’ve
done so much here forget
more
yeah i’ve been through so much as well
but you know
i don’t remember that yeah i didn’t like
that no no i just wake up every day like
it’s fresh in it no it’s fresh yeah for
you yeah it’s just a blessing then you
[ __ ] look at your quest but like it’s
an effort to be like it’s not like it’s
not really like that i just say that i
wish i could go back to school i say
like it’s just a regime i say it is that
and then it is that and i say is that
your mentality is yeah this is a fresh
day in it bro so no matter what i feel
like right right no matter what you’re
like okay you’re talking village fees
military [ __ ] yeah so you could pump
something one minute next week you’re
waking up
[Music]
all of them guys are straight yeah
what’s the first thing they do when they
get pee
[ __ ] up not they go to casinos to
hookers or [ __ ] to dangerous things
with criminal sort of um
what type of people are today because i
i was doing this
i’ve seen money so they’ve done in the
past but i mean nowadays that’s what and
that’s what most people who have got
money they like to flaunt it and the
lights are you know what i mean to be in
the in crowd they’re like i’ve never
flaunted you ever no no no no you’re
getting the jewelry forget the jewelry
yeah you did yeah you did fly
the diamond
the diamond necklaces and braces it for
one time i received wearing them yeah
but usually you are very very modest
humble yeah man you’re humble yeah
yeah i got nothing yeah cool i haven’t
got enough of it yeah
to actually have practical experience
you need to have some credit work
history you know i mean i ain’t got no
work history to say oh yeah i can do
this job i’ve never worked tonight in
this dress this is a wait time to do it
for myself that’s what i’m going to try
and do to get off the door i’m going to
double in it yes
you know i mean effects
employment support
what’s wrong with that no nothing’s
wrong with it nothing’s wrong with it
there’s a lot wrong with it really
because you’re not paying your way in
society really i don’t really feel like
um i’m [ __ ] doing it with myself you
don’t know right so i think at least if
i do a podcast of me living this life is
i’m doing something while i’m living
this life and cause i do look for jobs
at the same time you know what i mean yo
you know what it’s it’s it’s it’s a nice
thing for you to say that you know
you’re looking for because you know you
know i don’t take it for granted you
know i mean i do like want to get off it
immediately you know i mean but i don’t
want to um put myself in a situation
where i get hurt all the people get hurt
or anything
i mean not like physically or anything
but i just mean like where they waste
money employing or training me off or
something if i can’t fulfill it at all
but what do you feel like you can do
this or hurt their pocket to give me the
chance do you know what i mean i want to
know that i’m a guarantee of [ __ ]
why’d you feel like you could do that
what do you feel like
that’s that’s a question so that’s a
good question that’s a [ __ ] good
question it’s a good spirit massive
it’s a bit looser
up on the side
did it didn’t give a [ __ ]
it’s like a bro
i wish i had that
[Music]
but you know what i’m straight off the
streets isn’t it you see me on the
streets now i’ll come
he’s like yeah let’s do it right now oh
all right now he’s like yeah let’s do it
right now it’s like all right cool
shout out to big jack
yeah man for real big jacking up shout
out to shout out to my big brother
daughter
for you brothers man
archer
all my nephews
all the brothers that are growing me
like grammy grinding on the streets
there’s nothing like that
yeah come on follow up on the podcast
yeah
the [ __ ] if you want to come tell your
story about a little craft story or a
little little story where you’ve changed
your life around like affairs and you
don’t do that [ __ ] anymore and you’re
like i’ve been good man yeah get your
gcses
and you got to still be here to tell the
story of you know that life and not be
in prison telling it or you know what i
mean all [ __ ] dead telling it
you can’t because
my brother my brother was going to blow
up on that prisoners are going to let
him in and and hear your story indeed if
you want but you know what he’s saying
don’t go to prison but i do challenge
you know what let me tell you something
you know what it’s real talk bro
from my real
you’ve got someone that’s younger than
you that’s hencher than you stronger
than you
uniforms yeah the guy like hedge six
foot five oh yeah he’s [ __ ] oh
i’m like oh you’re like me but i’ve
always been nicer because yeah
this is a nice light but you’re a
thankful friend
i’m such a nice guy
because these views
in it yeah kids out here you just don’t
want to go to jail man that’s a whole
different thing you’re cheating like a
dumb man people shaving you can’t even
shave them
let me take you over oh it’s hard in
there what in the finger i can’t shake
take a picture to take a picture of you
you have to look like that yeah because
all together yeah yeah i don’t want to
see you on your id card because you look
different
it’s not you you go through a whole
different
good point yes it’s in the original on
the original idea oh yeah
just don’t give a [ __ ] i got lost off a
manslaughter as well no joke i got
locked up from manslaughter
i had about 15 charges
he paid money he paid money and you got
certain things you know you have to pay
you have to pay you have to pay your way
you’ve got me because for me because i
don’t i couldn’t handle prison first
time i couldn’t do a free spirit
once thought were charges i’m looking
eight years seven years six years four
years and i [ __ ] did watching csi
[ __ ] 18 19. a man with 40 15 bigger
than me and i was [ __ ] i couldn’t eat
no smoking
[ __ ]
you have to wash your own box of shorts
because i didn’t know the regime had to
go to the gym to get to the laundry
function yeah
i didn’t want to drink the juice because
people told me i had to get you as well
everyone’s a man over there everyone
just wants to do the thing you get your
food no one talks about your football
food you gotta be all yeah yeah it’s a
different different juvenile detention
center
you don’t want to go there trust me what
the [ __ ] is this there’s just there’s a
bullying about the esso
how could you avoid it you can’t avoid
you know where to go like what the [ __ ]
is that you know you’ve got these
[ __ ] these
hardened criminals on your case i don’t
know how they were no they’re all good
in this door just do stupid [ __ ] i’m
just a sensible person i’m just sensible
you’re getting sensible as i can be
that’s why you’re
to you’re the only [ __ ] guy i could
think of like when i’ve seen you females
opportunity to see you you know i mean
you’re a rare guy to see you know i mean
like say you haven’t been running for so
long and even when you’re on the end you
just
you know i mean
i’m there but you know what i’m
thanks everyone for listening but you
know what i’ve got to get to bed because
my sleeping routine is terrible yeah we
could we could do that after we pulled
up yes
we can
could we could do that after we pulled
up yes
we can
Nottingham Forest Podcast Garibaldi Red
Nottingham Podcast – Garibaldi #136
you’re listening to garibaldi red an ocean forest podcast brought to you by nottinghamshire live [Music] hello welcome to gary baldwin as we look forward to the agonizing but hopefully joyous end of the season there’s nothing for us to go into the playoffs where they’ll take on sheffield united after that one more draw with paul on saturday so to preview that big uh two-legged tie against the blades we’re joined first of all by red’s legend gary bertolt so gary you well yeah good morning fine thank you you yes good thank you not too bad at all and our second guest today is forest fan michael temple low time to you okay good morning matt good to see you yes you too good to see you both gents um so i must admit my heart sank when it wasn’t loosened and it was going to be sheffield united i’m absolutely traumatized by 2003 even now gary tell me i’ve got nothing to worry about and it’s all going to be okay you’ve got nothing to worry about it’s going to be okay we’re going to beat them good they don’t want to nobody wants to play us believe me yeah it’s looting we saw what happened at luton that tight little pitch that didn’t suit our you know style of play yeah we got done by refereeing mistakes again but uh they had a bad one themselves as well um the only thing was apparently they’ve got a load of injury problems looting so i’ve been told so it would have been maybe a good time to play them but with your weight leg first sheffield united know that they have got to go for it and they also know that if they go for it we could punish them massively with our pace and where the goals come from we’ve got so many players now who can chip in with goals and make a difference i don’t think we’ll go defensively i just think we’ll go as we normally play why shouldn’t we you know it’s worked perfectly well all the way through why change it now and i would think the trepidation will be with sheffield united more than more than us without a doubt what’s your take on it thames were you would you have wanted luton more deep down or does this feel like a tie for us so pretty well set up for yeah gary’s right it should be about us rather than the opposition if we we play as we have been we can we can beat anybody i think luton would would have been the easier tie just because their spoiling tactics with that tv audience that many people watching that much of an important game i think could have played into our hands we would have been looking to play football and they have that physical brand don’t they and try to try to rough teams up a bit so i think i think we could have dealt with that quite comfortably over two legs and chef united will be a tougher tie but we’re favorites for a reason and that’s because of the form we’ve showed since steve cooper arrived so no fear um but yeah to your point who would i have rather have played luton for sure me too me too right we’ll get into more about that time a bit we should reflect on the whole game the final game of the regular season finish a 1-1 draw um team section i’ll just we had a big debate me temps and greg on the last podcast about how we thought forrest would go in the end they went with this team sambert warrell figuerado a debut for young panzo lorea kafu ghana lolly zinkenegle myton and silva a lot of changes there gary i mean who can doubt steve cooper in terms of what he’s done this season but would you have gone a bit stronger or do you think he’s done the right thing there no i was delighted when i saw the team sheet um because we’re right the precipice with strikers aren’t we um and you don’t want to get your key players injured uh it’s no disrespect to the hall whatsoever i mean they got walloped the week before so they didn’t want that to happen so it’s going to be a difficult game i would have thought anyway for pride for them after the previous weekend so i think he got it spot on um you know we should have won it they equalized we scored an injury time they scored an injury time um but that’s the way it goes you know football’s a very unpredictable sport we know that and uh you just got to take what comes and at least now we’ve got you know a fit surge you know we’ve got brennan johnson we’ve got jet spence because middlesbrough gets in there they got battered by preston so yeah i think apart from the win it all went according to plan yeah i mean that’s my big worry was you play brennan or jed and they’re young athletes one of them pulls a hamstring in a sprint and that’s them done i felt cooper did the right thing what about you yeah he did the right thing he he did what he said he was going through didn’t he in his pre-match conference when he said some of these boys need rhythm want to carry on playing and there’s a few walking wounded who needed a weekend on the sidelines so i i think he got it right probably asked everybody if they wanted to play um took some insight from the the medical team um and where those that were perhaps on the cusp told him they fancied playing but they were you know managing a knock i’d probably include surge in that and that number um he made he made the sensible call so good to get a few minutes into the um that the players that had the opportunity but i think it did highlight how much stronger we are when he names his best 11 without any kind of fitness fitness issues because a few looked a bit undercooked i thought might have looked a bit undercooked silver we were a little bit blunt up front in the in the first half but then others panzo looked very assured the rear is an exciting prospect um in in possession um so yeah he got it he got it right and it was nice to have that that you know weekend where he had the luxury of making those decisions yeah i want to come back to panzer and lorraine i just want to come to you first gary about this lack of attacking depth i might suppose my concern now is if sam suraj isn’t having a good game as we saw at bournemouth perhaps second half there’s no keenan davis or lewis grabbing to bring on as it stands maybe davis gets back you never know with forrest injuries this season but does that worry you a bit against a team at sheffield united uh not particularly because i watch surge very very closely every time i i watch him and see what he does and it’s not just his finishing capabilities it’s his movement that causes problems for defenders as well uh and he’s his appetite to close things down and try and stop them playing out from the back that allows midfield to push up a couple of yards that allows the back three or five to push up even more and that makes it more comfortable and makes it more um problematic for the opposition so i’ve not got a problem with um whether he plays well or not strikers sometimes don’t the beholdens to support from elsewhere and if they’re not getting that support you can’t blame them but he’s he’s an honest lad he he won’t shirk the responsibility of doing the rest off the ball when he hasn’t got it or when he’s in a position to score maybe you know he’s uh he’s an honest lad uh he runs a line really well he doesn’t give defenders an opportunity to relax so you know as a striker i know sometimes you could not have the ball for 10 minutes or whatever but you know good strikers then react when it does come their way and he’s that sort of player for me i think since he got in the team and he got 90 minutes we’ve seen one of the best finishers in the championship you can say mitrovic but mitrovic is a different sort of striker some of the finishes you’ve seen from some surge have been absolutely sensational not just the ones in the roof of the net the little bits of movement you know for headers and things like that and little bits of adjustment in the box you know to maybe get an easier goal you know tapping maybe he’s not just a one-trick pony he’s got so many different facets to his game and i just love watching him play he’s the sort of player i love because i used to do that sort of thing i used to put you know all the hard work into trying to help others out and he’s exactly that he does exactly the same he’s a great team player and you know your teammates respect that when you can see a striker doing that when he’s not actually getting the chances coming his way um richard’s asking in the comments about keane and davis saying he’d try to fend away from brennan johnson any news when he could feature i think cooper’s doing press today uh monday as we record this so we might point out more but i think we’ve seen with forest on this season sometimes the player will appear on the bench from nowhere and that’d be welcome news if he is there on saturday in keenan’s case uh temps just going back to panzo an interesting player because he’s got this reputation have been a big big prospect who’s not really stuck anywhere it was his first appearance of forest after signing in january so quite a long wait i heard good things about many under 23s you said earlier you were quite impressed by what you saw yesterday’s very assured and he kind of fits that mold doesn’t he have a a defensive player who’s comfortable on the ball can find a pass isn’t just uh a hoof merchant because i think that the days of um forest being able to accommodate limited defenders have have gone we look to build from the back we like the ball into midfield uh often one on the center heart will stride out and try and create that overlap so it’s important that comes on the ball and i just thought he really was and i can see why he could fit into the the forest system if he was called upon uh more and more so yeah panzo looks a good prospect for me the fact he hasn’t had any minutes is just symptomatic of the fact that um cook warren mckenna have been bulletproof and in fairness as well figurido had a good game at the weekend and whenever he stepped up he looked very comfortable so i’m sure panzo’s knocked on the manager’s door but cooper’s had good reason to keep faith with the fellas that have got the shirts um but i think we’ll see more of him next season and i think it could hopefully be another one of those situations where it’s the right player at the right club of course so much depends on what league we’re operating i’m not sure he would knock on the manager’s door actually because if you can see people in your position doing nothing wrong and being absolutely brilliant then you’ve got no qualms you can’t think well i’m better than them well you can do if you want to but how can a manager change something that is probably the best in the championship you know how can you change that so i don’t think he’d probably be like that his agent may be telling him to do that um but i don’t think he’d want to do it off his own back because he can see it it’s stupid to say right you know i think i should be in the team when those three are doing so well um anyone else stand out for you thompson that doesn’t normally play uh not no i i thought martin and silva looked looked undercooked i think that was um to gary’s point earlier where uh the absence of davis uh grabber and suraj felt we are we are light up top because of that those those circumstances with injury so um no didn’t see enough from them to think they’re going to be uh you know decent prospects to improve the side in the in the playoffs la rea first start again wait a long time for it clearly he’s got some some pace he’s coming from the ball but he didn’t have the impact that jed spence has been having understandably so he’s more understand that players in the championship championship this season um so panzo was the one for me matt at the weekend the problem is when when you come into a situation like that where the team’s been pretty nailed on for quite a bit now but other than injuries it’s difficult then to expect too much from the players who come in because they’re not up to speed they’re not a spit you can do as much training as you like you can play for the under 23s as much as you like but you’re not up to spec for the championship you know because you’re just not you know even though you know everything’s better for players now they get more help more you know vitamins they get fitness trainers get everything you know there’s so many things going on to help players now it’s that 90 minutes on a saturday afternoon that you need on a regular basis if you don’t get that you can probably put it in for about an hour but there are going to be moments where you don’t look particularly good and you don’t look fit and that’s not their fault they can only come and play when they’re picked and when they’re told to go on and sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t so i i’ve got a problem with with that because i saw mike come on the other week and score that gold the tenacity showed when he you know he went through there to get that there are moments that he can do that again because he’s got that ability and they’ve all got that ability these players are coming in and every what 15 20 minutes to get and the game you know would help but there’s not much time left now obviously but i think you steve will be happy with what he saw at the weekend in certain areas from certain players who he thinks right okay that’s not bad that’s what i wanted to see in case you know we do get injury problems and we we need somebody to step in if you are making a change now gary with like 15 minutes to go and you need a goal is myton higher up the pecking order than lolly now because he’s got that bit of explosiveness that he can do yes without a doubt um that’s nothing against joe lolly because we know what joe lolly’s capable of you know when he’s at his best but you know when you want somebody with pace to upset somebody and you you might you might get a penalty you know that half yard that he goes past somebody just gets a topo you get bought down um you know i did a game um at i did wolves fee uh who did wolves be bright the other week and they had two penalties and one it was just because um the boy he played for liverpool up front what’s his name uh forget his name now he got bored down he was just looked an accident um come on tell me who it is at brighton lalana no striker did it was it what no it was it welbeck oh arsenal yeah yeah yeah yeah you know that that sort of you know incident his pace just took him away and there’s a collision it was definitely penalty and that’s what he could do because he has that ability just to be able to maybe go away half a yard quicker than somebody else and you know late in games you know that can that can turn a game on its head and um yeah he would be the top of my pack in order to to come on if needed we saw that on saturday in a different way didn’t we attempt with suraj to win that penalty i thought it was definitely a penalty i’ve only seen it on my phone and you saw the game in full really clever striker play wasn’t it to get ahead of huddleston and get his body in the way yeah i think he knew what he was doing um you know striker’s trick but it was it wasn’t a con he put his he’s put his uh foot in the right pla in the right place to grab it he’ll just straight away he’s giving it the old two fans in the air didn’t touch him boss but it looked to me on the um on the replay certainly that um suraj earned that earned that penalty but surge can’t be an impact player now we need that quality up top and we’ll learn a bit more as you say about the fitness of of keenan davis but he is going to be key in this playoff run if he’s not 100 or or can’t um you know give us give us 60 minutes and i think you’ve got to find a way to accommodate brennan johnson centrally and then that selection point around lolly and and mightin becomes really really key because i don’t think there’s any other shuffle in which forest can um maintain that the level of quality and have that quality finisher that they’re going to need in these in these games so i hope and pray that surges is fit and ready to start these games because that’s plan a um but you won’t see silver or mightn up top uh in these three games we’ve got remaining this season i i thought the interesting thing was a lot of foreign supporters were more excited that keenan davis was on the coach at bournemouth i think wasn’t he he went did he go down on the coach with the team to bournemouth yeah he might well have done i know i thought keenan davis was on the coach or whether it was hull i don’t know but uh yeah so hopefully that indicates there might be an opportunity you know to get him in there and uh his fitness levels are good you know he’s been out but he’s built up his fitness level so that won’t be a concern you can’t leave storage out for me you just cannot leave him out because of what he gives the team um the you know capacity to finish how he does is just uh you know absolutely staggering at times the quality he finds and when you’re a striker confidence is a major thing and when you’re a confident striker you know you back yourself so often and he was unlucky at bournemouth at the bar a lot of people said to me why did he use his right foot the same as the previous game it looked like the exactly replica of where he was the pace of the ball that came to him i thought he’s gonna hit this with his right foot and he didn’t hit it with his left and you know people were talking about that for quite a bit but uh you know he puts himself in the positions to do that he’s not frightened of missing and that that is major for a striker that you’re not frightened to miss if you’re trying to admit you don’t get the positions to to miss simple as i was guilty that a little bit when i was at man united um you know you’re thinking i don’t want to miss one and not very often but i can remember one against man city you know the worst game you could you know bottle it a little bit and uh you know i have my hands at once i think it was only the ones but i know how strikers feel when you know it’s not going their way and but he’s not like that he just keeps getting in there how can you tell it’s not going their way then from experience is it like you know you don’t go that extra yard to get into space is that kind of that you take an extra touch you know just try and make sure instead of having two touches or one touch you take another one to think right i’ve got to get this right and then the defender closes you down that’s why in training you play one touch two touch three touch because three touch that gives a defender time to close you down no problem at all then you go to two touch gets more difficult for a defender and then obviously one touch you take it straight away but the two touch is the important thing cliffy always said never make a good chance better but when you’re not playing particularly well it’s not going your way you try to do that you probably subconsciously you’re not trying to but you do and that extra touch gives the defender time to close you down so that’s why i love what surge does he you know he’s his confidence has grown dramatically and i just love watching him um quick word on the penalty that brennan took temps because i guess he’s on penalties now if it comes to in the in the playoffs good penalties run up makes me a little nervous this bit straight and then he jumps to the side but i think he’s giving himself enough options to put it anywhere in the goal now i’m confident he’s going to score yeah it’s coming he was going to score we spoke about this before but someone’s had a word with him about um that the penalty he chooses to take so whatever the runner do what he comes for with but side foot with power is the way to consistently score penalties and these penenkas or even lacing it uh make for good clips but if you want to be trusted to take five to ten penalties a year it’s got to be cipher with power and be able to pick your spot so there’s been a word in his ear no doubt he’s old man if not steve cooper telling him no more chips down the middle please because he has a mindset a calmness a maturity and you know technique he can strike a football um to be a very accomplished penalty taker now he’s got that silly chip down the middle out of his mind so yeah i i had confidence in brennan um and who knows how important penalty is going to be in the next few weeks oh god you’ve tempted it now oh he’s waiting he’s fainted best penalty for you gary like temp says low in the corner well i played with probably the second best penalty taker of all time leticia i think was probably the best but john robertson was magnificent um you know both corners both feet and he he just went for corners you know he didn’t miss a great deal and you just always had the confidence that he was going to score and the majority of the time he did so and it’s going to be heart and mouth stuff because we’re talking about the biggest couple of games in football you know the money that you get going to the premier league i mean that decision at bournemouth was an absolute disgrace what about var in the playoffs uh we haven’t i wasn’t on our questions for the show can i just can i just i i don’t get this this var right three games the um west brom games we’ll start with that the referee and the assistant gave the throw to west brom the fourth official gets involved and said no it was it was a forest it was west brom through yeah forest throw sorry yeah so that gets overturned swansea game the ball goes over the line the boy claws it back gets a red card then they say because it blah blah blah it was rescinded to a yellow so how can they look at that and the other one and then not look at the one at bournemouth i i don’t get how they can look at one incident and two incidents and change the mind and not look at another one when it’s clearly a massive decision it just baffles me my understanding of the goal and the reverse of the red card was that the um the goal review system the golan technology which is at the city ground did go off but the refs watch didn’t so the fourth official rightly said a goal had been scored at which point the ref rescinded it um because the handball was therefore out of play so i think they they got there on the end on that but for anybody you know casually watching and not having looked into the circumstances you would be completely baffled um by that reversible decision but they were using the technology correctly there apart from the fact that the ref watch failed but yeah look there’s there’s incidents and we always dwell on the ones which would have been in forest’s favor and that that bournemouth game being the extreme i mean exactly that guy at luton got sent off you know and that was wrong as well you know the the ref standard of refereeing i think is a disgrace at the moment i really do i’ve never seen it support so many talking points we’re talking more about refereeing points and assistant referees points than we are the football at the moment again i mean i think in the premier league the referees don’t ref it because var refs it now you know it’s it’s and you know i speak to you know nigel club and you know he said that some of the standards are refereeing you know it’s it’s not you know brilliant why don’t they have refresher courses or something like that and then the two of them go apologize to steve cooper after that’s the last thing i’d have wanted i wanted to punch him you know don’t come and knock on my door apologizing for goodness sake you know yes you’ve made a mistake i don’t want to hear it fine you know you could have cost us 150 million quid there you know simple as and it’s always we always get this the premier league referees come down and they always make the mistakes it’s it’s just ah overwhelmingly bad i think the reason i like it in these playoffs is just because of brennan johnson i really hope that if he gets pulled down in the box that they have the bottle to actually reverse the decision and give him a penalty because he’s really he should have had four three or four more and these had this easily easily so that’s certainly why i would welcome it and hopefully it does help forest uh like you say gary’s right about the standard refereeing it’s been appalling so hopefully there’s no no escape for them this time when it comes to getting decisions wrong just finishing off the whole game temps forest concedes literally from the kickoff freak goal is there anything i can do about that really you see that three or four times a season don’t you where a whipped cross meanders slowly at the speak and nobody touches it but the keeper can’t react because he he’s expecting contact the striker to have some kind of contact on that on that ball so um just right off the freak occurrence i don’t think anybody was really at fault but frustrating that we didn’t have the resilience to see the game out having taken her taking a late lead so um no i don’t think we could have done too much about about that if somebody had gone early and the striker touched it to the middle of the goal or the other post then that that’s uh that that’s a a bad mistake he he did what he needed to do and um yeah it procrastinated everybody no touch and it goes so disappointing but unavoidable uh question for you you can answer this one gary a question from greg uh how much of an impact will conceding a late game like they have on the mindset of the players going into the the playoffs does it make any difference at all during one one with hulk can see and then changes into sheffield not on iota it’s gone you can do nothing about it it’s finished you know we drew one or we would like to have won it you know we’re in a position to win it three goal comes along he can do nothing about it players don’t rest on things like that they’re just interested in what to do in the next game you know you can’t do anything defensively to do anything about that um if it’s a mistake defensively yes you can but it’s a flute goal and you know we’re in the playoffs anyway we rested a load of players and i think it just tells you how confident you know steve cooper and uh the players are about playing anybody you know nobody it’s just everybody’s been saying you know nobody wants the players if we just scored that first goal at bournemouth you know might have missed a penalty given but if we just scored that i think bournemouth would have gone i think their heads would have gone the confidence would have gone and we could have gone on to win that game you know by more but that situation that lifted them and you know the second half performance was very good from them so now i’ve got no qualms about going into the next game um you know people all people are talking about is previous playoffs well we’ve never got through to the final um we haven’t but that’s with different managers that’s with different players you know this group of players there’s a mixture of you know massive experience and you know inspirational youth sort of thing the mixture of the team at the moment is so good um and everybody you know trusts each other in that that squad to what they can do for their maximum at their peak and yeah there’s going to be mistakes made chad spence will go forward and he might lose it but you know the knowledge from him doing that is there’s always going to be somebody there to cover for him when he does that that’s why he does get forward as much as he does because he knows there’s always going to be help behind if he loses it and you know that that gives oppositions an awful headache and i just hope it gives them a headache again at the weekend yeah so first game saturday at bramall lane three o’clock and the return at the city ground tuesday night 7 45. how do you want them to go about it gary don’t play for a draw primal lane do you no i said that earlier i just don’t think there’s any point in doing that uh because you put yourself under pressure when you do that you just sit back and um you know we did that under chris hooton a little bit you know we’re one nil up you know would you go deep go deep you know defend defend the striker get isolated you never get out your own half and that that coventry game um this season early in the season when we’ll wander upward and they scored two in the last was it five minutes to beat us 2-1 and you know that was because we you know we defended you’ve lost your sound gary do you get called you’re back yeah from yeah nigel club phoned me sorry you punched him in pass him in yeah dropped him in yeah he’s just yeah i’m sorry it’s okay that’s okay um i’ll come back to you in a sec guys just wanted to go we’ll go to temps quickly forest abram or lane played very well didn’t win the game you know brennan missed that pounce which we discussed earlier then billy sharp scored how does that play into the psychology of either team do you think that forest played well there it was a good game and they showed attacking intent as well because i think i became a bit frustrated when we were coming up against the park in the bus or trying to spoil it a bit like luton so that chef united game a bit like the black bowing game with two teams wanting to play so no we won’t go up looking to part the bus um of course we’ll we’ll take a balanced approach it’s no bad thing to bring a draw back to the city ground but we’ll we’ll try to play um i i lived in sheffield last time we played that those um semi-finals there so i’m still haunted from uh from from that day but so much water under the bridge these boys won’t be aware of that game let alone um scarred by it so let’s just do our thing like make our own plan don’t worry about the opposition and do ourselves justice but you know i feel good about this there’s a good point in the comments actually matt about better to play chef united over two legs into faceman and one off in the final which i think’s um good analysis really if we were to face huddersfield or um luton at wembley we we’d really fancy that so this this may well be our final in a sense if we can get past chef united it opens up a bit and will be will be you know short price favorites so i like that logic um we’ve got the advantage of um finishing the tie at the at the city ground so let’s get ourselves through the weekend unscathed and then turn it on at home attempts makes a good point there gary i think about the way chef and i go about it they’re not going to part the bus like luton might have done to try and sneak a one-nil do you think that favors forest that chef united are going to come out and play and maybe leave space it’s got to i mean the looting game that that’s a one-off that’s a league game you know it’s not a two-legged affair so you can afford to do that in a league match but in a playoff semi-final two legs you’re at home first the onus is massively on you to to go out and be positive and sheffield united will know that if they’re over positive they could get absolutely taken apart at times it just depends on the quality we produce when we’ve got the opportunity to do that um so people are saying i wish it wasn’t home first you know if it was home first you know we could get a good lead you’re not guaranteed at home to get a good lead um i’d rather play the la weight leg first every day of the week um and i was in the playoffs with knotts county many years ago when i was there and we got knocked out by warsaw it’s one of the worst moments of a career because i think we were favourites to do it we’ve been in the top two all all season and we we blew it automatic and we had a very experienced side and uh you know being knocked out in that way is is not particularly good and um look steve will be he’s been so positive in everything he’s done since he’s come in everything that he’s done and i don’t think that’s going to change on saturday against sheffield united he’ll back that group of players to the hilt he’ll say right we’re better than them respect them that we always used to do with brian clough respect your opposition but don’t be scared of them and that’s the mantra he’ll give those players what’s the point in telling him to go out you know we’ll be careful in the first 20 minutes or whatever yes players know that automatically you know they’ve got to be they’ve got to start a game well the start the first 15 20 minutes to me is very important you know in any game but in a playoff game first leg you’ve got to do the basics well you’ve got to if you get the opportunity to do the other stuff which we’re excellent at them fine you do it and it comes natural to that group of players you know it it does it’s it’s staggering in the short space of time that you know the grass the nettle and they do that and it’s you know a lot of the things in football are instinctive you know people used to say to me well how did you do that on the pitch and i said i’ve got no idea you don’t as a player because it comes to you and you make your mind up in a split second what you’re going to do and we’ve got so many good players who do good things in split seconds we’ve got gone we’ve got zinc and argo we’ve got surreys we’ve got johnson you know we’ve got ryan yates you know they all make the decisions at the right moment and there’s no reason to see why that’ll stop in in that game and then if you you know you do go and get a decent result there then nobody wants to come to the city ground you know it’s the it’s just staggering you know how we’ve been and the atmosphere at the city ground sometimes it lifts but if we get you know any sort of victory they then have to come to us and and then go for it again which again will suit us so yeah first goal possibly important but first 20 minutes for me important do the basics well um an interesting point here for me and temps and the comments about the fa cup i mean obviously all the afa cup games are at home so it’s not really relevant to brahmalane but do you think the experience of those big games will help forest in the playoffs yeah it does because those games have been instilled and reinforced the fearlessness that steve cooper tried to coach into the team and now it’s become endemic within the team they went into those games not trying to avoid failure but trying to achieve success i think that’s a change of mindset amongst you know bottom room championship sides and those that are aspiring to be promoted you can’t die wondering you can’t go in there with any kind of negative mindset you’ve got to want to push push push take every free quick free kick quickly take that risk beat that man have that shot and that’s the mindset we’re all in forrester going into games now expecting to to win um being set up to be rapid on the counter attack to exploit pace to almost trick teams into thinking that there they can commit more men forward so we can get in down the sides it’s like so exciting to see and it’s a result of everybody buying into the the same plan and i think when you have a plan that succeeds against leicester city against arsenal against fulham it just reinforces the um the entire process so so yeah we’re a better side for those experiences matt for sure attempts even liverpool you have to include the liverpool game in that in that respect because they you know they were struggling against us they they brought four players on to make a difference because they were afraid of maybe getting beat so the you know that positive answer was still there in that game yeah it’s liverpool we respect you but you know we’re going to give it a go here and uh nobody i don’t think many people would have expected to be arsenal or liverpool but we got close to it against liverpool less than maybe would have been a better opportunity because our season has not been as good as you know normal um although that you know they did well in europe but yeah i just think the mindset he’s put into these players minds is just you know absolutely fantastic you know there seems no fear about doing or trying to make the right decision in the right area where these ties can be settled then gary in terms of mentality over quality key moments going your way what’s it going to come down to against sheffield united it can come down to little bits so look it matt can come down to anything in these sort of games you know it could be a fluke goal like we saw you know hulk hopefully it won’t be excuse me um it’s about you know taking your opportunities when they come your way making the right decisions in the final third you know the worry for me it’s not a worry for me the good thing about it for me is we’ve got probably three of the best defenders in the championship at the moment and uh you know the experience they give you you know is he’s going to be key i think um and just say to the you know the the creative players further up just going do your stuff you know just go on take it to the opposition do what you do best i’ll mute myself um temps just looking ahead uh in fact do you want to say any more words about the playoffs before we move on there’s anything else you want to add no we’ve said it let’s uh let’s move on and come back next week and talk about wembley i think the other thing i want to write just quickly um the fa youth cup final is this week i believe i’m just frantically checking my phone there so yes it is it’s on wednesday um gary that’s something that’s gonna it’s a great occasion for the club crazy amount of tickets sold over 50 000. great occasion for forrest and great occasion for those young men isn’t it it couldn’t be better could it i mean it just shows you the fantastic work that goes on behind the scenes that the training ground you know the academy uh you know it’s phenomenal the players that have been brought through that are still being produced and to get through to the final to play old trafford against manchester united that’s some feat maybe manchester united should play that team in the premier league actually it might be a little bit more beneficial to them but yeah i’ve got every admiration for the people who do everything that doesn’t always get noticed so much as it should do um but when they get when you get to a final you know they should get the accolades because you know they work on a daily basis with these young players and they’re instrumental in bringing them through difficult periods in their life um you know because of that when they come in they’ve been at the academy a long time then they get to an age where am i gonna make it am i not and you know it’s it’s not the easiest job in the world to get all that right and again you have to applaud what steve cooper has done regarding that about keep using that word embracing but that’s what he’s done he’s not it’s not just about the first team it’s about the whole football club you know he wants a whole football club to be successful he wants it to be successful for the fans for everybody you know it’s not he’s never been about him it’s about you know the history of the club um you know he wants to move it forward and uh he wants to bring young players through and that’s what’s happening at the moment and we sure will be very very happy and uh grateful that you know we’ve got somebody like him in charge yeah a good point from richard in the comments again uh five years ago i’m gonna believe this is right richard and not fat jackie on the spot i’m sure you’re very reliable five years ago six england internationals played in the youth cup final fosun sancho mount gerhy and hudson ledoy so it’s a forest have got a tough task but hopefully a couple of our own lads end up playing with that level and obviously dale taylor is already a full international and also good luck to the under-23s i should say they play their playoff final on first like friday second leg sunday the 23rd of may against stoke city no that’s wrong they play it on sunday the 15th of may and read this on my phone should be about prepared but good luck to them and another example of how things are going for the club um last things reese james also played in that cup final as well richard said last thing i want to talk about forest um linked with joe rothwell at blackburn good player uh free agent 27 bit of a ghana type player maybe that’s a bit of an indication like gary says ghana would probably walk into the man you team at the moment but temps i mean sensible kind of recruitment ghana is a very good championship player isn’t the anna free agent at 27. yeah i’d love that signing manu trainee played age groups for england which will probably attest his kind of technical ability um but yeah the the blackburn fans very much into him because of his box to box work rate and all-round all-round game um he’s already and that’s the fact that he he won’t be signing a new contract with uh with blackburn so seemingly it was against west brom for his signature at this moment in time but yeah i mean they have half an eye on on ghana potentially not being with us this year and it’s the type of signing that you feel could um work regardless of the league that we’re operating in but i think more importantly um evidence of having a positive transfer strategy for a 27 year old fella who’s proven at this level and has aspirations to play in the premier league um arriving on a free transfer potentially again just just seems to have um dane and steve cooper’s um hands all over it and this this kind of um recent uh flurry of transfers that whilst we may have questioned at the at the time have borne out to be really positive changes so yeah delighted by the individual and delighted that it shows uh further um progress in a transfer policy which has been really progressive and successful this season right uh before we leave it there gary before you go call nigel clark anything you want to add before we let you go any other business no just to reiterate what temps have just said you know preparation is paramount and you can guarantee that preparation has been made by steve and his his team uh and everybody at the club involved in uh you know recruitment for either scenario um you know whether it is premier league or whether we stay in the championship and that has always been one of the most important things to get right at any level that your preparation is right for the following season and uh you know i’ve got no worries about that either way but uh you know we’re going premier league right we will leave it there um thanks to everyone who watch along as ever and drop comments in as we stream live on facebook uh if you catch us on youtube do you like to subscribe and the same on itunes or any other platform i’m not sure what the plans are for the rest of the week whether we do one of these on friday saturday maybe after game or otherwise just come back monday so do uh keep tabs on the podcast feed gary thank you very much an absolute pleasure yes we’ll let you go and call nigel club thank you for just following nigel cluff off to speak to us and not disappear we do appreciate that temps no one famous called you did they join the game during the podcast no i was just going to mention that i scored yesterday my first for wooleton over 35 of the season so yeah nice to outscore gary bertolt’s for one weekend in the history of football at least thank you sir oh just yeah talking about nigel clough all the best of mansfield as well in the playoffs they play saturday as well in the playoffs their first leg they’ve got north america yeah they have well they must be broken after that bristol rovers scoring seven goals relegated i mean yeah but where mansfield were as well early in the season you know bottom three looking really grim you know the job nigel’s done has been you know fantastic to get them in there and uh you know breaking season records and things like that so let’s just hope he can pull it off as well yeah that’s football isn’t it i’ve shown through my phone yesterday one of my facebook friends used to work for forrest is a big northampton fan he was gutted the post below was bristol rovers goalkeeper i know from another job and he was celebrating the highs and lows of football and what it can do to you in the space of two facebook posts but yeah we shall leave it there thanks very much everyone and we shall catch you soon thank you for listening to garibaldi red and nottingham forest podcast if you enjoyed today’s episode then please let us know we love hearing your feedback we’ll be back soon with another episode thanks for listening [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause]
Podcast Scott Gemmill, Brian Clough
playing playing for brian clough was it it stayed with me you know the the things that i learned the simplicity the clarity of message has really almost come to the fore now that i’m coaching um as a player it was the principles and the standards like you’ve referred to and and also the other players in the team the the demand from them um because they obviously had worked with him longer and when a young player got an opportunity to go into the team there and training with the team on a day-to-day basis you know the whole package just really influenced you as a player but there was forrest at that time didn’t speak that there was no written down game model or philosophy and there wasn’t a lot of tactical preparation but there was a way of playing you know it was learned it was just learned through game related through games and literally the team sheet would go up you’d come back from training off on a friday after training you’d walk down the river train come back 12 half 12 on a friday and the team would be pinned on the boards one to 11 and you knew what position you were playing on what number strip you were wearing if you were playing if you were 7 you were playing on the right if you’re 11 you’re playing on the left and we got you the players knew how to play and that going back to my point it in my opinion the genius was in the clarity and the the the simplicity and i now that i’m coaching that’s something i’m very conscious of very aware of and the power of it so something that i’ve started to think about a lot is i obviously got to play for brian clough at the end of his managerial career and by that time he had the presence he had the success you know he he was able to influence because of who he was and the respect that his players had for him i would love to to have seen how he did it before the success you know and how how closely his management style related to that and his ability to influence players of course it’s easy to influence players when you’ve won the trophies he’d won by the time i got to work with him if he said something you listened of course you did i would love to see how his personality was and the way he influenced his teams and players at the beginning of his managerial career before he’d had that success because obviously in my opinion it’s it’s harder to do that you have to to really how do you find a way to to influence the players of course at that period of his managerial career he he possibly wasn’t working with international players that he went on to work with you know he would he would literally speak to a central defender who he’d put in the team to be physical and head the ball because that was the profile that he wanted he would literally say son you are not a good player when you’ve got the ball pass it to him because he’s a good player and everybody finds that funny of course but and his delivery his way to influence but he was getting his point across for me the biggest compliment i can give him i’m stealing it actually it was martin o’neill who i heard say it and out of all the ex players that have played for brian cluff i feel martin really captured it it was actually a tribute after he passed away after brian clifford passed away martin said that his players wanted to play for him and for me that is the the x factor you know people say what what is brian close x factor what is sir alex ferguson’s x factor i didn’t play for sox ferguson but i was lucky enough to play for for brian clough and for me that really captured it his players wanted to play for him and you know how as the manager the head coach how do you create that kind of environment and it’s through huge influence not only on the training grounds on the match day but it’s in the players life it’s in their family it’s it’s everything um and you ryan clough would influence how the young players spoke and pronounced their words and cut their hair but it was done for the right reasons he was trying to prepare them for for their whole life
Talk Forest TV Podcast #coyr #nffc
[Music] come on [Music] hey guys what’s going on it’s talk fast tv we are back with the latest and tv news ask for you showing your alive as well which is quite nice because obviously we’re all getting quite a few live streams this week so i hope it’s quite nice i’ll see the nuisance on judd wallace um obviously came back this morning and also we tried signing him and also tried to um get him and last month but obviously milwaukee weren’t butching on their value which i found really really weird because i think obviously they wanted to um sell him for um quite like money before he sat a contract in next couple months so i think it’s weird one then number one so i think that um i feel like that the folks that are gonna get involved probably gonna get them in the summer uh a lot of talk obviously about um jaguars obviously yes me man say um i do feel like that and if we do want him we’ll have to fight for him i’ll see this talks that then you are very keen on him this is battery football league willed obviously the t-slash was interested in him obviously ah um them suffering out of mid-spa or interesting in the window from the wall obviously they all know how um good yes i feel like that if um if we’re going to try and get we’re gonna have to fight for them i think that obviously milwaukee middle spa are in their family so that attracts enough pain family football will be up there or when you come to somewhere that falls where this project of uh cb2p is working is um doing quite well so i do feel like that um things are going quite well and that with jeff wallace i feel like if we do go in for him obviously and i find this what we can do it will come to us all we’ll do attraction our family football and money uh be more interest for him so it’s it be an interesting one to affair and that’s had that but i feel like that if i sound ambitious enough then i feel like that would should go in for man it’s just really really good actually to fear that we are confident to actually um wanting to do something about it so thanks for if any comments as per usual guys so i think that jaguar swap is something really different from what our normal attackers would and i don’t want to do it be a replacement for ben and johnson because obviously ben johnson does play a preview toward how we do play especially in this three four one two and only from one of the four two three one information that pays a pivotal role in both formations so that how do you feel that about brennan johnson um and that i feel about judd wallace so it’d be um interesting tell us how um things will go about it so i just think we will do the right thing about it so and that judd wants to make the right decision so tell us what you think guys as per usual and actually thank you for watching [Music]
Nottingham Forest Podcast – Garibaldi Red 118
Garibaldi Red Podcast #nffc – 118
hello and welcome to uh the latest edition of our gary baldy red podcast i’m sarah clapson and i have some great guests here alongside me um gary bertles and greg mitchell from forza gary baldi here to chat about saturday and look ahead to bournemouth hello both you’re all well good afternoon good morning say good afternoon yeah just about how are you doing greg yeah i’m good thanks very well it’s strange being on here and not after a win you get so used to being on here well yeah exactly yeah it does feel a little bit like that it could have been a win on saturday very nearly was a win very nearly was a defeat but a draw in the end um greg what did you make of it point of good result in the end oh absolutely after after the carnage of the last 10 minutes the point was a brilliant result you walked out there wanting to hear the best depeche mode playing didn’t you felt it felt like a win it would have been disappointing at the start of the game to just get the draw but with all that went on yeah you absolutely snapped the hands off for that and it did ever so well with 10 men to get it yeah agree with that gary or would you want to yeah i mean i think you have to put in perspective a little bit uh if you go back what six months there’s no way we’ve got to point out that game you know pure and simple um they you know stoke would have won that game i think and the resilience and the belief that steve has instilled into the squad was evident again and uh it’s that never say die attitude that you know can get us in the playoffs can put a bit of pressure that on the teams that are in there already um i mean thank goodness of seven minutes of injury time at the end that saved us a little bit but you know going 2-1 down you have to sometimes give the opposition the credit they deserve as well because i think they did a little bit of homework on us and they stopped our key players having an impact in the game they did the basics very well stoked but they closed down very well uh they knew whether the big threats were coming from and you know you have to give them credit but like i said we would have won that game we wouldn’t we would have drawn that game six months ago we’d i think they’d have been outside because they were pretty good on the day stoke and uh yeah you have to give us credit as well as them for for hanging in there with 10 men because they must have thought they’d won it you know that goalkeeper getting sent off you know their fans in that british villain thought that that they won it and they hadn’t you know a bit of class at the end from from garner and you know a bit a bit of maybe not look i think keeper might have actually saved that you know i think he might got fingertips to it people were saying that but it’s about you know pouncing on things like that and you’ve got to gamble sometimes and you know yates gambled he was there and gambled and you know expected the unexpected and that’s what got us a point and yeah it could be significant in uh you know the way the rest of the season pans out because teams in the top six get nervous they will get nervous they will drop points they have to play each other you’re seeing some strange results at the moment and um you know it’s it’s that sort of table again you think it’s all set in stone the ones who are going to be in the playoff positions and all of a sudden you know a couple of results go different ways do you you think they’re going to go and you know the team’s getting contention sheffield united are the ones who are suddenly you know just inching forward you know so you watch out for teams like that and sometimes it’s best to be out the top six when you go on a run and try and put pressure on the teams that have been there for a very long time which most of those have it’s probably easy to say in hindsight but do you think there should have been maybe a couple more changes to the starting eleven did it look like a team that had played three games in a week and maybe needed a bit of a bit of fresh legs in there at the start and what i thought after this first half at half time we we knew we were missing something and i’m sure there’s some tired legs in that team all the games were playing but we missed yates didn’t we and you know fair play to him because at the start of the season not many people would have been saying that and as soon as it came on there seemed to be a bit more belief and a bit more control in the middle uh i agree about st um stoke doing their homework they really packed out the side of spence and johnson and they certainly did the homework on brie samba um i mean we’ve got four and a half minutes in and i haven’t mentioned the rest yet so i’m yeah they did the homework and the samba incident you know it did change the game not only ascending off a goal as well and i think even if warrell would have saved it would have been a retake because he was about his six yard line when they kicked it but it just shows how important players like yates are for us and how you know the manager has managed to change those types of players and it’s vital now we go to friday and hopefully his legs will be a little bit fresher the new goalkeeper he might be able to make a name for himself because i mean i speak to people in the pub after and the thing with samba uh it was my friend steve was saying that it’s the such a fine line between like genius and insanity isn’t it and i think stoke realized that and he made a stupid error and of course jaguar goes down so easily but you can’t do that this is going to be the words i was hearing coming out of everybody’s mouth it’s been an accident waiting to happen yeah yeah it’s been coming a long time the number of people who actually said that was you know staggering and it was it was absolutely ridiculous but going back to your point about tiredness i i think mentally as well the games have had when you go back to the arsenal game you know that that’s the premier league side and they they put loads of f into that to win that game then you got the derby game which is always highly intense and you know it was on a knife edge at the end because they pulled one back then you go to blackburn and win a game you win at uh against leicester east midlands rivals and all those things you know results were absolutely unbelievably good but it can take it out of you mentally probably more than physically and um i thought they coped remarkably well really i thought jack colback was terrific for us on on saturday um he seemed to be on you know the end of everything he was breaking up play he was doing all the right things and you know samba’s moments of madness what can you say what i liked is when he got sent off and he walked past the manager and stephen reed and um i forgot and yeah the three of them on the touchline alan tate they blanked him totally blanked him nothing was said i think he was walking past for maybe a little bit of you know well don’t worry about it you know probably a bad decision but steve came out and said i’ve got a problem with the referee that you know he made the right decision it was stupid and they just didn’t even look at him as he walked past and i i quite like that um but talking about referees i thought he was one of the worst referees i’ve seen this season i don’t like having to go to referees but the inconsistencies he showed was just absolutely staggering you know i i was gonna say i think that i think steve cooper didn’t have a problem with the referee but maybe not the red card decision he’s got every right to have a you know problem with the referee because he was poor without a doubt um but not he could do nothing about that what samba did it was sending off and it’s a penalty remember the tanglement in the back of the net was it the derby game yeah was that the game you know you thought there he was lucky not to get sent off learn your lessons you know but yeah you’ve got to put it to bed now it’s gone can’t change it he’s going to get suspended but the big thing is he has got to learn from it if he doesn’t learn from it then you know you shouldn’t be there because it was a horrendous mistake but we got away with it he he would be giving everybody a big pat on the back in that dressing room and so he should do he’s a bit of a fan’s favorite though isn’t he greg because of those antics sometimes so will you take that away from him or do you just say reign in a little bit he’s got to reign it in but i’m not so sure he can i mean even on even on twitter he uses the old name that brian cluff used to use for mark crossley and i think he’s the best keeper i’ve seen since crossley he’s he’s a brilliant shot stopper he plays the modern way you know like an 11th outfield player sometimes but he was gunner costas and he has costas and i did read that um he got a big dressing down of cooper after the derby game so he’s going to be so disappointed that he just clearly didn’t listen he’s brilliant at managing time but all the referees know about that referee was desperate to get someone sent off or be the name you know that everyone’s talking about in the next week but you give him the opportunity and it’s just stupid but take that away for his game is he going to change there was there’s a video from the blackburn game with johnson’s penalty and you look in the background and samba’s nowhere near his goal he’s like on the touchline the defenders again getting your goal just as johnson’s about to run up so this that i don’t know whether it’s like naivety or or what but he’s gotta reign it in because as good as he is and he is the best keeper i’ve seen since crosley cooper might decide in the summer you know he’s he’s a liability he’s cost us games so he might have to look elsewhere but it gives smith smith or horvath a brilliant opportunity next few games and who knows you might find it tough to get back in so he’ll certainly learn his lesson he’s got to can you coach that out of him gary can you coach somebody to to not to that aspect of his personality can you can you coach stupidity out of somebody yeah uh yes you should be able to i mean steve nobody can do it there’s only one person who can sort it out and change it around and that’s bryce you know he’s got to realize that he can’t do things like that it’s just an embarrassment because it’s so obvious and so blatant he wasn’t even trying to you know when the referee was looking away it was right i’m gonna whack you now because you won’t let me throw the ball and the referee is right next to him you’ve got no option but to give a penalty and i don’t like to be talking about that for too long because everybody knows it could have been so costly and it was stupid i i don’t know what goes through his mind um you know i played with some great keepers at forest you know i played with shelton played with chris woods played with van breukelen um you know steve sutton was there hans sega’s and you know they all had their little idiosyncrasies but nobody went and did things like that it was just madness and you know the the gasps around the ground you know and you heard the chatter in and around where i was sat and it was that’s been that that’s that’s been waiting to come that has that that was going to happen and it was allowed you know it was people were saying that fans were saying it you know people in the director’s boxes you could hear it it was just uh you know one idiotic moment but let’s hope he learns from it yeah i mean sitting out a few games he’s probably going to be as good a time as any for him to reflect on it it looks like it will be ethan halvas probably in goal um he’s been the backup keeper at least i think we all remember his last league game or his only league game i should say and and it proved the end of chris hewton um well let’s just sarah just put it in perspective about their manager said what a great game samford had and he made some terrific saves yeah he did a low down to his right they were going bottom corner and he had to get down because he bounced in front and he palmed it wide we saw the both sides of what he can do you know fantastic saves you know probably kept us in the game at times and then that moment where he could have cost us a game cut the last one out and just keep doing what you were doing because you are one of the best keepers in the league without a doubt you know end off if you can get that right then you know we’ve still got a fantastic goalkeeper there feel confident going into friday greg with with ethan horvath in goal or would that change anything do you think when we signed him i thought well what a strange decision because he’s a he’s a number one goalie i don’t think he is a backup keeper he must be so frustrated the last few months not to get a chance after his mistake uh he played in the cup game didn’t he and played well league cup i think so yeah i’m excited to see him i know you know bournemouth are such a good team so he’s gonna have to be on top of his game and i’m sure he can’t wait to get out there so it’s not an issue for me it’s not like uh it can be sometimes when you lose a player i’m confident i think he’ll do all right yeah he’s got good defenders in front of him as well hasn’t he um if joe warren and steve cook and scott mckenna all play that’s a pretty good back line to have in front of you big game though isn’t it on friday bournemouth um it is but bournemouth won’t be looking forward to it no they’re you know they’re all susceptible sometimes bournemouth you know they’re the one team who you would expect to carry on and but when you expect them to it’s it’s stuttered a little bit yes they’re a very good side but when you get in that position i can remember all the years ago when i was at knotts county when we had the great you know real good team with jeff pike and gary mills charlie mcparland you know all that team we’re in the top two for the whole of the season and with five games to go we couldn’t win a game you know and you you slip out into the playoffs it’s possible that can happen and you know bournemouth will be fully aware of that and it can you know generate around the squad that you know you are getting a little bit nervy you are getting you know looking over your shoulder who’s coming up behind you and uh you know first you’ve got to take advantage and away from home you mean that performance against blackburn was superb you know you probably maybe not saw that coming but i think we have the perfect setup away from home um you know with the three at the back and you know the counter attacking threat that we pose that we do at home you know sometimes you run away with it other times like you say you’ve got to give the opposition you know credit for what they’ve done in in stopping you and um you know the plan was evident blot out their key players that’s our key players and stoke did that well for a lot of the game but again the belief that steve cooper has put into that squad was massively evident you know before it would have been a slump of the shoulders oh you know we’ve lost the game now silly mistake by our goalkeeper but no you know the the equalizer they thought was there and you know it’s a classic free kick you have to say but you have to take advantage yeah it was an easy chance but you’re making an easy chance by being there yeah i was pleased he got a header yeah he’s mustafa wasn’t he was due we were talking about it before the game about that and uh yeah it’s good that that’s his only fault isn’t it he’s heading and uh good on him because yeah he was exactly in the right position i played with dean yates but no he said he’s certainly got a reputation as having a bit of a 50 pm doesn’t he let’s see good on him now for getting that goal and he just all he’s done this season is shut up the doubters hasn’t he so he’s just done it again on saturday um but i like what gary said about bournemouth because you have to remember as well it’s not just the league table it’s the form table isn’t it and we’re right up there we’re probably ahead of them i think we’ve got 25 points away from home which we’ve never really been a good away team have we so superb and yeah i can’t wait to get down there and see what we can do to be honest yikes coming to the team do you think on friday would you play him to be on greg um surprisingly he’s in there yeah i i i will see sorry yeah i would expect to see him in there without a doubt um you know obviously steve’s choice but uh i think you see how important he is to the team um depends will call back and gates play together again why not you know they’ve been pretty good when they have paired up together and it’s not going to be an easy game and maybe your resilience is going to be top of the order and you have two resilient midfield players in respect of that and when you’ve got a back three like that uh you know i think that gives you even more confidence away from home and the other thing is what about being able to take one of those back three off and bring on someone like might and you couldn’t get a completely different player to a central defender and now he’s back he just adds such another aspect to our game uh especially when we need it when we think right we’re not so bothered about conceding now let’s see what we do at the other end and switch it like cooper did uh and you expect a similar thing on friday a bench is like one of our biggest weapons this season so getting might and back is brilliant really good i showed they wanted to win the game as well didn’t they making an attacking substitution like that which is something we’ve not always seen and it shows real intent um on the manager’s partner on forest park which is great to see i i think steve is one of those managers who i love because he won’t do it when it’s the hour mark you see in the coaching manuals people tell you within football right we’ll get the subs on after an hour you know and it sometimes does happen it’s around 58 59 minutes you’ll see a sub come on steve will take players off if he thinks it’s the right thing to do whether it’s just first half early in the second half you know he makes those decisions and i and i i think when he whenever he’s made those decisions in games i think it’s paid off more more times than it’s not and to have a manager who’s prepared to do that and go for the game you know be positive about it i think it’s great for the players as well because you know they’ll see it and let’s say right you know he’s made this change at this time of the game clearly we want to win this game and i i think you’ve got to give the manager a huge respect for for being able to do that and not worry about the consequences i was going to ask you gary about sam suraj and what you’ve made of him so far i think he’s done quite well in the short appearances that he’s had so far he’s maybe not quite pushing for a start yet but but what have you made of him it’s difficult because he’s only just come in um he’s been on the bench and it’s never easy coming off the bench and trying to make an impact in a game um you know davis i think has picked up the uh mantle really well and i think he struggled a little bit at the weekend uh at times but he’s a even when he’s struggling a little bit he’s still a massive threat you know he’s difficult to mark he’s awkward he’ll you know he’ll make it difficult for center hearts by backing in he’s good in the air uh he’s a target he’s an outlet and you know i think he can only improve and uh once you know his fitness levels keep getting better you know coming to the end of the season we’ll we’ll need the likes of um you know sorry and and uh davis lewis grab him we don’t know when he’s coming back yet um whether he’ll make it before the end of the season and how bad the injury is so at least you know when he comes back if he does come back you know you’ve got a fresh goalscorer coming in a vital period maybe so getting through these games now with that you know a fully fit squad is so important and the players who are in there at the moment you know aren’t over fatigued up front so that’s a good thing as well and uh you know the creation we’ve got and the chances we’re still creating is going to benefit these players without a doubt fan of saurage greg yeah um i’m glad you mentioned him actually i forgot about that one when he came on the stoke fans like you know they were loud they booed him and you when we signed him you go on twitter and you see the stoke fans not happy about him and what an impact like that that ball he played to low was just superb and he showed good signs against blackburn as well i mean he could have scored but yeah he he’s a really good impact player uh and he didn’t off shut their fans up i thought he was superb but yeah with the blackburn game as well he’s like he’s won three penalties this year and started six games i think it said so he’s like he is that perfect impact player and he might be the difference on friday again you could see him coming on with 20 minutes to go and doing something so excellent signing so far yeah and brennan johnson hit double figures i know we talk about him a lot because he has done so well but lewis grabbing could have been a big miss i think in his absence others have stepped up haven’t they and brennan johnson is one probably already expected it because he’s such a good player but um great to see him hit double figures it’s quite a a landmark i guess isn’t it gary well we’re talking about you know we’ve always talked about midfield players scoring you know you could clash him as a striker winger you know midfield player but he’s in double figures which is so important takes the pressure off strikers um the worry is you know center half don’t seem to score many goals now you know you could count maybe the three of them at the back and maybe they’re not only double figures i don’t know yet but you know i’ve not looked but yeah you’ve got to get goals from all over the place and um his finish again was so cool at the weekend made a lot a lot easier by the quality of the ball in from low it was the ball of the game for me and lo had not had the best of games up until that period but the belief he’s got in himself to get in the right area to be brave enough to get in the right area and deliver that quality was just fantastic and the finish was people say oh that was quite easy believe me when it’s coming in at pace you’ve got to get your body shape right you’ve got to relax and let it come on to you because if you attack it too much you can you know you can sky it put it wide you just got to relax and make sure you hit the target and it was a cracking finish yet again he’s quite underrated isn’t he greg mcslow he seems to go under the radar a little bit yeah and he’s another one i’d hope we’d look to see if we can sign him you know depending on leagues and stuff but um he i think he’s excellent and because everything goes down the other side there always seems to be space for him like he seems to be waving his hands and on his own on that side and that’s what happened to settle the goal i thought so he is he’s a very good player and just another brilliant loan signing and my big worry now is if we make the playoffs we get put against sheffield or middlesbrough and we’re going to lose one of our two best players aren’t we so it’s a nice thought to have but it’d be nice next season you know whatever league we’re in to not have to have as many loans you know a bit more of a long-term uh plan with these signings but you know it’s it’s an exciting time but it’s a worrying time that we could lose so many players in the summer so i’m sure these are organized enough behind the scenes to have things in place already about that which we haven’t in previous years it probably says i know when we’ve spoken to any of the lone players and max lowe especially he always says that he feels at home at forest now and that probably says a lot about the culture that’s been created and the atmosphere and the buzz around the place and that can only help can’t it gary when you go out on the pitch it makes you feel a million dollars you know when you’ve got a manager like that who’s you know backs you who praises you who will give you a start and going back to greg’s point about the we’ve got two options now which is fantastic i mean i played with robertson and o’neill it was a 4-4-2 but the two outlets were absolute absolutely brilliant for us yeah john robertson best player i’ve ever played with and you ask anybody you know about a lot he’s the best player that played with but martin was i think very underrated by everybody but as lot at times because you knew that had robbo been marked with two which he often was but he could still beat them what a great outlet martin was on the other side and he he’d get your double figures in a season as well plus he had viv anderson you know talk about attacking right backs or full full-backs fib was one of the first you know you couldn’t stop him getting forward it was just unbelievable and we had the confidence of frank on the other side you know you’ve got that balance and i think the balance at the moment within this team and the squad is massively evident you know you look at goner he’s suddenly you know come into a bit of form he looks better he looks fitter he looks more creative he looks happier on the football pitch and you’ve got the zinc angle who’s who can produce things and but he can al also have moments where you think well he could have done better but i think the balance we’ve got and the different sorts of players we’ve got in different areas causes real problems for opposition you know we’re not always predictable and i think the fact that the three center halfs are confident in that diagonal ball to switch play whether it gets cut out or not they’ll still try and play it you know joe wall is probably the best he strikes a better ball but the other two will try it as well you know you don’t want to do it like we did uh when we conceded that silly goal um which game was that was it the um the awake the cardiff game wasn’t it where we get that goal away and you know trying to play across but keep doing it if it’s successful it’s a great outlet and we have the pace on both flanks for that to happen and when you’re doing that it’s important you you try and get pick as many second balls up as you possibly can because that is so important as well teams who pick the second ball up um you know genuinely are difficult teams to beat because you know they gamble and it’s really in areas that can hurt you and i think we do that quite well we haven’t really mentioned joel for going in goal but mr nottingham forest himself he probably typified him that he was first to put his hands up and straight in there and gave it his all didn’t he greg he was he was great and you know what was nice as well and an outfield player in goal is distribution is just on another level isn’t it and i think that really helped us like the build up to the goal getting that ball up there so quickly and it’s just nice to know he’s there he should never have to be put in that position again hopefully i do think the fact that he was knackered as well had some part to play because you know he’d come back from injury from the rib injury quicker than i think a lot of people expected so that’s probably why his head went up quickly as well seven minutes a few minutes i think he loved it it was like playground football for him wasn’t it i think well i used to do that i used to play for south knotts and i was a reserve goalkeeper and i loved it so yeah i know where he’s coming from in that respect do you know like just thinking when you were talking then and you mentioned garner and zinc and eglise it’s incredible they can be such good players and we don’t talk about them because you feel like this squad is like once in a generation squad for forrest it for me you go back to like the billy davis playoff squad and how good they were and how you look back and you think how did we not get promoted and i feel with this squad it’s even better i think as long as we get in that playoffs we’re gonna have such a good chance um and it’s well basically just you forget about how many of these players i think there’s 12 or 13 that could get man of the match in the squad and it’s like davis when he when he started he was shattered and we’ll talk about the ref again he’s making all these runs and then the referee will blow and you think god he’s just ran 30 yards down the wing to like fight him for every ball um so no wonder they’re so tired and no wonder we’ve got these players on the squad like getting on straight away but i just think we well i don’t know where i’m going with this to be honest but we’ve just got to keep this momentum up and that last minute goal just like it epitomizes where this squad is at the minute and the fight they’ve got so again i looked at the table greg as well and you looked at stoke before the game you thought if they win today there’s another team could just creep into contention a little bit so holding them off and just getting the one point you know is quite beneficial for us again yeah i think they’d they’d have got within two points wouldn’t they yes they’d have won close isn’t it yeah the table’s so close is that why friday’s a really important game do you think gary that if they get if they get a resort at bournemouth that it not only sends out a statement but it also closes that gap doesn’t it it does and like we say teams are going to be playing against each other at the top of the table and then they’re not top six before the end of the season so if you can win against teams in and around you um you know that’s fantastic because that puts more pressure on them in the next game they have to play because bournemouth at home will be thinking yes it’s not even forest but we’re at home you know look at the table we’re better than them we should be winning this game but we all know what pressure does and the pressure to get in the premier league you know they’ve been in there they want to get back in there yeah they’re desperate the pressure’s on them more than us really you know with what steve’s done since he came in the turnaround has been one of the most significant turnarounds i think i’ve seen in many a year in any division you know for a new man to come in and create what he’s created not just with results but the whole atmosphere at the football club is changed dramatically you know you drink with the fans and everything and you know you listen to what they’re saying and you know they’re loving every minute of what you know he’s doing at the club and you’ve got to try and build and thrive on that and use that to you know put yourself in contention and i think we’ve still got a big chance of getting in contention and uh you know cement the place in the playoff places without a doubt through that greg yeah and again with the fans it was noticeable on saturday how many people didn’t leave when you just concede a 90th minute like winner as we thought you know you’ve lost your keeper the game’s gone but even the fans believed that we could still get something and we’re proven right so there’s belief everywhere in this team this squad and the fans at the minute so it just has to continue and you know we’re not going to win every single game but if they if they get a point like they did on saturday it’s as good as a win for me so you know we might we might get those three points on friday this time instead we do score a lot of late goals which says a lot doesn’t it it’s all about character and spirit and that never say die attitude and they really do seem to have that i’d have to look how many late goals they’ve scored but it does seem to have been a lot well teams will score late goals you know they’re generally genuinely you’re generally in contention aren’t they because their ability to do that because they believe they can do it and you know it’s a never say die attitude and you can see it right throughout the squad never give up attitude and yes we could get something out of this game yes we’ve lost without a 10 member there was no doubt for me in any of their minds that they could get something out of it but as soon as that seven minutes went up you thought right yeah it’s possible yeah make any changes greg for friday other than in goal yeah i mean if fit i’d play yates as well um how do you feel i mean that’s the dialogue i’m just thinking that i don’t see who you leave out to get we need the back three i think that’s crucial with the way we play um yeah certainly not for call back i’ll leave that with cooper we’ll play 12 men get away with that it’s difficult he says a lot doesn’t it about the the quality and the the choices that the manager has to make that you’re debating who to leave out to put somebody like yates back in the team it’s well it’s you know who who you know who does drop out you know be harsh on anybody because of you know how they you know reacted on saturday but that’s why you know managers and managers they have to make these tough decisions and they only do it for the good of the team they don’t do it because you know of right you know i’m trying to be big here i’ll change it around you know you can tinker so much we’re seeing even the premier league you know managers tinker with things and it goes wrong for them you know steve will do it for the right reasons without a doubt and uh he all he wants to do is pick a side or win a football match or not lose that football match down there you know if we if if we go with the object to getting a point to start with i think we can get three i honestly do because i think we have the ability and the game that um might just frustrate bournemouth a little bit and you know the pace we have on the counter is just so evident it’s ridiculous so they’ll be wary they’ll be very wary so you’ll be just picking a team that he thinks will do the job for him on that particular night and that’s all you can do you just have to hope you get a good referee as well i hate having a go at rest but my word it was a little bit of a just you know i don’t know a strut about him as well and you thought for goodness sake the number of times we we could have carried on and he blew his whistle too early you know played the advantage i think three or four times i can recall you think you know you could hear the groans around the ground it was just staggeringly bad at times yeah i think the standard this year hasn’t it but i haven’t heard the crowd get on a referee’s back like that in a in a long while and he seemed to revel in it he seemed to just get worse and worse progressively when the crowd got on his back and he was making stoke fans weren’t happy with him either and you just don’t rolled accountable and he’s not in the championship for next weekend trans that what should should happen but it really does yeah i guess we should acknowledge before the game as well there was a nice show of support from forest fans going to fat cats which got uh yeah got got some rough treatment from leicester fan shall we say the the week before um i know greg you were part of the organizing of that so it was good to see and a nice a nice show of support from fans yeah and i think a lot of i didn’t actually get chance to go down myself but the the lad who had the idea just got in touch with us because we’ve got quite a big platform and we put it out there for him and fat cats were brilliant they really welcome in and i think it’s just nice to show there’s a lot of you know bad press at the minute with football fans nationally isn’t it and something like that it’s only a small gesture and it it’s a good excuse to get out there earlier as well which i don’t think many people we seem to be going back to the dark ages don’t we again you know the old football you know where you saw bottles being thrown and things like that we don’t you think that’s that’s in the past but it’s it’s happening on a regular basis every weekend now and i was listening to jeff stelling the other week and he was saying what is going on why are we going you know down that route again and michael o’neil i think he mentioned one of his players nearly got hit by a glass bottle or something so you know things like that you don’t want to hear things like that it’s just you know ridiculous we don’t want to go back to the bad old days you know especially our ground i mean we saw the leicester fan come on the other week and you just don’t want those incidents you want to be talking about the good things in the game not things like that no especially and there’s so many good things to talk about so we’ll end with a prediction for friday greg i’ll let you go first um school prediction for friday 91st minute winner laney like 2-1 yates header two and two for eights i like it i like it gary what’s yours he’s taking he stole my thunder i was going to go 2-1 as well i think you’d probably do well to stop them scoring because you know again they’ve got you know players throughout that team who can make a difference and um but i back our back three or back five whatever you want to call it i just think we’ll win it by the odd goal i was going to go 2-1 i think they’ll get three two ones then well well either way hopefully it’s a good result and a good performance that’s that’s uh what we’d all like to see i think and lots of more positive things to talk about which is good um but thank you both i might actually go friday night because i’m doing the southampton game on uh are you on saturday mother not too far are you going greg yes yeah we’re going you know another awkward kick off time give us an excuse to get a hotel in bournemouth for the night so uh yeah really looking forward to sold out away end yeah so i’m going down oh yeah brilliant well hopefully we’ll have a win to talk about um so thank you both for coming on i really appreciate it and it’s been nice to talk about positive things which is good um so thank you greg and thank you gary really appreciate it good to see you both and thank you everybody for watching as always thanks sarah cheers thank you and thanks for everybody watching and for getting involved and we’ll be back with another podcast soon